Belgian committee votes for full Islamic veil ban - Page 4

Shawnee123 · 05-20-2010, 09:47 AM

The giant foam finger points straight at you, as a result of this last exchange.

Redux decided to change his tack, after the brouhaha. Perhaps you could do the same.

05-20-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

It has become apparent to me and just about everyone else that nothing productive comes from our "exchanges." Maybe you haven't noticed, but I am trying NOT to interact with you. Perhaps you could do the same.

So now you are suggessting that I not respond to any of your links...and not offer my own opinion or perspective?

Even if I do so in a manner that was not disrespectful to you...but which you characterized as "argumentative assholiness"?

So, in effect, you want to chose who should and should not respond to your links?

Sorry, that doesnt work for me. I will participate in any discussion I chose.

classicman · 05-20-2010, 11:32 AM

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Spexxvet · 05-21-2010, 08:38 AM

Trilby · 05-21-2010, 09:13 AM

um...while I'm certainly no fan of the Pope - I CAN most def. see his FACE.

So - how..?

Shawnee123 · 05-21-2010, 09:14 AM

Da pope, he's a' hidin' a weapon of mass destruction under his lid.

Trilby · 05-21-2010, 09:18 AM

does he really wear Gucci shoes?

Does he get them comped from Gucci?

GunMaster357 · 05-21-2010, 09:40 AM

Here's is my own opinion as a French, living in France where I can see women wearing either 'niqab' or 'burkas'.

What I saw these last weeks is that, as the goverment is trying to find its way to vote a law against these garnments, is that all newsmedia show an increasing volume of incidents.

I can't understand the need for that law as there's already one that forbids anyone to circulate with his/her face masked. unless it is tolerated for security/medical purpose. (biker helmet/surgeon masks).

In my opinion, some of those incidents are provocation on the part of some radical muslims, but also sheer stupidity on the part of other people.

There were other incidents than the one reported here. For example, some weeks ago, a woman wearing the 'niqab' was stopped by the police because they thought (and I share their opinion) that the veil was impairing her vision. Then her 'husband' tried to paint them as racists. Next thing we knew, the Minister of Interior was trying to take away the husband's French nationality on the grounds of polygamy.

In this one incident, what I see is provocation from the husband who as it appears has no wife but four 'mistresses' and sheer stupidity from the Minister.

As a politician, he should act, not react.

As for the garnments, I don't like them and as far as I understand the Koran, it's not a requirement of the muslim faith. The requirement comes from tribal minorities.

It seems that today a lot of people have forgotten the old saying "When in Rome...".

If I were a woman going to a muslim country, I would have to cover my head with either a 'niquab', a 'burka' or simply a veil depending on the country because it is required by law. So if you are a foreigner coming to France, do as the French. I wont ask you to renege your core beliefs, but if you can't accept to abide by our laws : STAY AT HOME!

Shawnee123 · 05-21-2010, 09:48 AM

Quote:

It seems that today a lot of people have forgotten the old saying "When in Rome...".

Probably because old sayings have very little to do with human rights, regardless of your feelings on this particular subject.

To that I say, adamantly and with conviction: "Out with the old and in with the new."

classicman · 05-21-2010, 09:49 AM

Good post GM - The rub is when they are Muslims who are French citizens - no?

Shawnee123 · 05-21-2010, 09:49 AM

You can't teach an old dog new tricks!

GunMaster357 · 05-21-2010, 10:28 AM

I was just trying to argument my opinion without letting my temper take over as in "act don't react".

I'll say only one more thing on that subject and then I'll quit the thread.

Yes, I am a racist : I hate stupid.

As long as you consider that I'm entitled to my opinions and recognize that I let you have the same right, you can be whatever you want, blue as a smurf, green as a martian or even tatooed purple from head to toes.

I've worked with people from all over the planet, Morocans, Aussies, Germans, USA, Canadians, Chileans, Iran, Chinese,... And it always went well, because we had a common purpose : the project we were working on.

Yes, there were frictions but nothing we couldn't iron out by discussing the problem.

All of them agreed with me that stupidity is the most common illness around the world.

Beest · 05-21-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GunMaster357

As for the garnments, I don't like them and as far as I understand the Koran, it's not a requirement of the muslim faith. The requirement comes from tribal minorities.

I read or heard somewhere recently that the current ultra conservatism stems from the 1950's or so, old Muslim guys will lament the times when they were young when women didn't have to cover up, it's just a fad.

piercehawkeye45 · 05-21-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Beest

I read or heard somewhere recently that the current ultra conservatism stems from the 1950's or so, old Muslim guys will lament the times when they were young when women didn't have to cover up, it's just a fad.

That would make sense. Thats about the time when very conservative Muslims started to gain power in the Middle East. I believe, in some regions at least, it was a lot more secular before then.

squirell nutkin · 05-28-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GunMaster357

All of them agreed with me that stupidity is the most common illness around the world.

Agreed, and "No Sense of Humor" is the second. An awful lot of problems would never arise if people knew how to laugh at themselves.

05-20-2010, 09:47 AM	#46
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	The giant foam finger points straight at you, as a result of this last exchange. Redux decided to change his tack, after the brouhaha. Perhaps you could do the same. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

05-20-2010, 11:32 AM	#48
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	. Attached Images __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

05-21-2010, 08:38 AM	#49
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	__________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

05-21-2010, 09:13 AM	#50
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	um...while I'm certainly no fan of the Pope - I CAN most def. see his FACE. So - how..? __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

05-21-2010, 09:14 AM	#51
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Da pope, he's a' hidin' a weapon of mass destruction under his lid. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

05-21-2010, 09:18 AM	#52
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	does he really wear Gucci shoes? Does he get them comped from Gucci? __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

05-21-2010, 09:40 AM	#53
GunMaster357 Professor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Brest (FRANCE) Posts: 1,837	Here's is my own opinion as a French, living in France where I can see women wearing either 'niqab' or 'burkas'. What I saw these last weeks is that, as the goverment is trying to find its way to vote a law against these garnments, is that all newsmedia show an increasing volume of incidents. I can't understand the need for that law as there's already one that forbids anyone to circulate with his/her face masked. unless it is tolerated for security/medical purpose. (biker helmet/surgeon masks). In my opinion, some of those incidents are provocation on the part of some radical muslims, but also sheer stupidity on the part of other people. There were other incidents than the one reported here. For example, some weeks ago, a woman wearing the 'niqab' was stopped by the police because they thought (and I share their opinion) that the veil was impairing her vision. Then her 'husband' tried to paint them as racists. Next thing we knew, the Minister of Interior was trying to take away the husband's French nationality on the grounds of polygamy. In this one incident, what I see is provocation from the husband who as it appears has no wife but four 'mistresses' and sheer stupidity from the Minister. As a politician, he should act, not react. As for the garnments, I don't like them and as far as I understand the Koran, it's not a requirement of the muslim faith. The requirement comes from tribal minorities. It seems that today a lot of people have forgotten the old saying "When in Rome...". If I were a woman going to a muslim country, I would have to cover my head with either a 'niquab', a 'burka' or simply a veil depending on the country because it is required by law. So if you are a foreigner coming to France, do as the French. I wont ask you to renege your core beliefs, but if you can't accept to abide by our laws : STAY AT HOME! __________________ "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." - Ambrose Bierce

05-21-2010, 09:49 AM	#55
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Good post GM - The rub is when they are Muslims who are French citizens - no? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

05-21-2010, 09:49 AM	#56
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	You can't teach an old dog new tricks! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

05-21-2010, 10:28 AM	#57
GunMaster357 Professor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Brest (FRANCE) Posts: 1,837	I was just trying to argument my opinion without letting my temper take over as in "act don't react". I'll say only one more thing on that subject and then I'll quit the thread. Yes, I am a racist : I hate stupid. As long as you consider that I'm entitled to my opinions and recognize that I let you have the same right, you can be whatever you want, blue as a smurf, green as a martian or even tatooed purple from head to toes. I've worked with people from all over the planet, Morocans, Aussies, Germans, USA, Canadians, Chileans, Iran, Chinese,... And it always went well, because we had a common purpose : the project we were working on. Yes, there were frictions but nothing we couldn't iron out by discussing the problem. All of them agreed with me that stupidity is the most common illness around the world. __________________ "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." - Ambrose Bierce

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