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The heavy mud seems to be working for now. At this point as much as 29.5 million gallons of oil may have been spewed out. There are concerns with the hurricane season approaching that oil slicked waves could slosh inland creating even more damage.
I heard on NPR this morning that the plants in the wetlands may all be killed off. This would be a terrible blow for those ecosystems. Never mind all the animals that depend on them, the roots of the plants help hold the soil in place. Dead roots mean all the soil will be all washed out to sea, leaving empty waste lands behind. ![]() |
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what about the important things - like bourbon street?
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It is interesting that petroleum is generally measured in barrels. Yet this spill is being invariably publicized in US news outlets in gallons. 42 gallons to the barrel. Is someone trying to make it sound bigger or something?
Sam, delta mud would be immediately replaced if washed out to sea. What's making the Mississippi Delta again? And in due -- geologic -- course, the Mississippi River delta deposits will themselves become source rock for petroleum and natural gas.
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Hey, report it in liters and really be amazed!
![]() I believe that the reason the top kill wasn't attempted sooner is that it takes a while to put the equipment onto place, and there were quicker (but less likely to work) things to try first. As it is, top kills have a 60-70% chance of success on dry land. They've never been done under a mile of ocean before. I wonder if the water pressure might actually help keep the oil in the well I don't see how people can blame Obama. It is BP's (and/or the other two corps involved) fault that it blew, and BP's job to plug it and clean up. All the prez can do is tell them to "plug the leak" which they were attempting already. He could order in Coast guard or National guard resources to help with containment and clean up, but I've seen some of that on TV already. Really, what was Obama supposed to do that he hasn't?
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Just shy of 159 liters/bbl. Quickie from Wiki, scroll down to Oil Barrel. Says the SI world uses cubic meters or else tonnes. Works for me.
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No, they were not talking about delta mud. They were referring to the soil substrate that forms the basis for life in the wet lands. If this substrate is washed out to sea, it will not be replaced for a long, long time. Plants will no longer be able to take root and grow in former wetlands areas. The entire ecosystem will be subject to collapse.
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Never once have I heard the spill described in gallons. This spill is not a media invention, it is a crime.
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I've seen it as both gallons and barrels, but mostly barrels. I'm annoyed at the few news stories that have reported gallons. Keep your units consistent, people.
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I have seen both as well
Watched a lot of CNN this am - in some reports, amounts were gallons. Made it rather confusing.
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The top kill has been declared to have failed. Bugger.
I think we're up to plan H now (notably similar to preparation H) which is a sea floor riser containment thing. I don't know how that differs from the top hat thing was tried earlier. The relief well is the only reliable solution. That is still a long way off. I kind of wonder if all the other attempts are expected to fail but are being done to maintain the appearance of doing something.
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I've been wondering the same thing. All this is window dressing till the only viable solution is completed.
I really don't understand why they can put a smaller tube inside, yet cannot put a larger pipe over it.
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Guessing at the physics here. A small pipe inserted inside the main pipe with a tight seal would maintain the pressure, allowing extraction. A big containment dome allows the spill to burst from the pipe. The spill is part natural gas. As the gas gets released from the pipe, it undergoes pressure drop, thus expanding and cooling substantially. This cooling causes some hydrocarbons in the spill to freeze. These frozen bits clog up the containment dome, so additional oil or gas is forced out into the open sea again. I think that was what went wrong with the Top Hat and similar strategies.
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Was ZenGum's post full of innuendo, or is that just me?
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