Obama administration authorizes killing US citizen

[Aliantha]

I don't think all conservatives are conservative due to religious beliefs either. In fact, most of the conservatives I know are what they are for financial gain rather than religious beliefs.

[spudcon]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

No she isn't.

Do not speak about events you know nothing about. Stick to your theories.

[spudcon]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Maybe they were put here to solve overpopulation and unwanted children.

I don't think you should believe in both anti-abortion and predestination though. That person lived the life they were destined to live, right? Brevity is not part of the question, especially if you believe in an eternal soul. The soul in that mass of cells is certainly in heaven now. Good job well done, don'tcha think?

The only overpopulation problem we have in the US is from illegal aliens. We actually have an underpopulation problem.

[Aliantha]

I'm not positive, but i'm pretty sure HM meant that clearly your friend is not a collection of useless cells simply by the virtue of having a worthwhile life (or at least it seems that that was what you were alluding to spud).

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

I don't think all conservatives are conservative due to religious beliefs either. In fact, most of the conservatives I know are what they are for financial gain rather than religious beliefs.

There is a lot of truth in that statement.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by spudcon

Do not speak about events you know nothing about. Stick to your theories.

From the stated data that she is 60, and your friend, I concluded she isn't a blastocyst. I don't think my "theory" is on shaky ground.

Originally Posted by Aliantha

I don't think all conservatives are conservative due to religious beliefs either. In fact, most of the conservatives I know are what they are for financial gain rather than religious beliefs.

In the larger context of conservatism, that may be the case.

In the US, the conservative movement is dominated by those whose guiding principles are the sanctity of life, the sanctity of marriage, the sanctity of guns and the sanctity of Jesus Christ.

Any deviation from any of the above puts you at odds with the hard core American conservatives.

[TheMercenary]

Well that leaves me out.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Well that leaves me out.

Yep.

And, IMO, i think it is why the social conservatives who currently dominate the Republican party and the Tea Party advocates (fiscal conservatives/libertarians) will find it very difficult to co-exist under one banner....there is a fundamental clash of priorities.

[spudcon]

Originally Posted by Redux

In the larger context of conservatism, that may be the case.

In the US, the conservative movement is dominated by those whose guiding principles are the sanctity of life, the sanctity of marriage, the sanctity of guns and the sanctity of Jesus Christ.

Any deviation from any of the above puts you at odds with the hard core American conservatives.

You forgot the sanctity of the constitution and the rule of law.

[spudcon]

Originally Posted by Redux

Yep.

And, IMO, i think it is why the social conservatives who currently dominate the Republican party and the Tea Party advocates (fiscal conservatives/libertarians) will find it very difficult to co-exist under one banner....there is a fundamental clash of priorities.

You're right. Co-existance under one banner with conservatives and libertarians would be impossible. Different philosophies.

Originally Posted by spudcon

You forgot the sanctity of the constitution and the rule of law.

The rule of law says first trimester abortion is legal and Jesus Christ doesnt belong in the classroom and gays and lesbians have some level of civil rights.

[xoxoxoBruce]

What, no conservative Jews, muslims, Atheists?

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

What, no conservative Jews, muslims, Atheists?

Of course there are.

What I said was that conservatism in the US is dominated by those whose guiding principles are the sanctity of life, the sanctity of marriage (and heterosexuality), and the sanctity of Jesus Christ.....ie, evangelicals and Christian conservatives.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by Redux

In the larger context of conservatism, that may be the case.

In the US, the conservative movement is dominated by those whose guiding principles are the sanctity of life, the sanctity of marriage, the sanctity of guns and the sanctity of Jesus Christ.

Any deviation from any of the above puts you at odds with the hard core American conservatives.

Religion is not on the same level over here as it is in the US, which is why the whole god argument isn't very effective (and rarely used) in anything to do with politics here.

That being said though, our current opposition leader is quite a long way to the right and is quite religious. Who knows what will happen next year if his party wins.