Be careful what you wish for.

[Griff]

Hows about you two shitheads take the fucking nonsense somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Griff

Hows about you two shitheads take the fucking nonsense somewhere else.

What nonsense is that?

The fact that the moratorium limiting permits to drill on the OCS goes back to 1981?

Or the fact that the Financial Services Modernization Act effectively repealed Glass Steagall and tore down the wall between commercial banking and investment banking?

[Griff]

It is apparent you enjoy each other immensely but your banter is destroying discourse.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Griff

It is apparent you enjoy each other immensely but your banter is destroying discourse.

You forgot to add IMHO... because that is all it is.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

You forgot to add IMHO... because that is all it is.

And Griff, you neglected to answer my question....what nonsense is that?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Griff

Hows about you two shitheads take the fucking nonsense somewhere else.

Welll shithead, I see this as normal political banter. Tell us shithead why we should not have this exchange of banter on a political thread. Please shithead, tell us...

[jinx]

Originally Posted by Griff

Hows about you two shitheads take the fucking nonsense somewhere else.

Sucks man. I was interested...

Originally Posted by jinx

Sucks man. I was interested...

What a load of crap.

Classicman makes a comment:

...their requests to drill in shallower water were refused. Something about environmental concerns. hmmm

And I point out that it goes back to Reagan's moratorium.

along with MHO that the blame the environmentalist game is a load of crap as well.

[jinx]

Who fucking cares?! Not everyone plays team politics, some actually want to DISCUSS THE ISSUES. It was Reagan that offered up the last round of amnesty for illegal aliens - doesn't stop you from carping that the conservatives are all opposed to it.

Originally Posted by jinx

Who fucking cares?! Not everyone plays team politics, some actually want to DISCUSS THE ISSUES. It was Reagan that offered up the last round of amnesty for illegal aliens - doesn't stop you from carping that the conservatives are all opposed to it.

Please dont put words in my mouth or crap that you want to DISCUSS the ISSUES and I (we) dont.

IMHO, both Merc and I have toned down the rhetoric.

If you dont like what/how I (or we) post......ignore it.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Please dont put words in my mouth or crap that you want to DISCUSS the ISSUES and I (we) dont.

IMHO, both Merc and I have toned down the rhetoric.

If you dont like what/how I (or we) post......ignore it.

Peace.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Close to shore drilling has been limited for awhile, probably 'not in my back yard' and 'out of sight, out of mind' thinking. Whereas out in deep water, it couldn't possibly mess up the shore areas, could it?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Close to shore drilling has been limited for awhile, probably 'not in my back yard' and 'out of sight, out of mind' thinking. Whereas out in deep water, it couldn't possibly mess up the shore areas, could it?

Yep for those reasons as well. It originally started back in 1982, when the Democratically led Congress restricted more and more areas through appropriations.
Through this annual process, Congress chose to deny the funding necessary to conduct leasing of new offshore areas to oil companies. The restrictions were renewed annually. This went on until recently through both R & D led congresses until the price for oil skyrocketed.

There have been several legislative efforts to eliminate them over the last couple years by the R's, but none none have been successful. They have been rebuked by the environmentally conscious D's and their majority in the house.

Originally Posted by classicman

Yep for those reasons as well. It originally started back in 1982, when the Democratically led Congress restricted more and more areas through appropriations.

What Democratic-led Congress was that?

In 1981, Congress voted to stop the sale of leases off the coast of Northern California. The moratorium was included in the Interior Appropriations Act for Fiscal Year 1982. The provision was supported by almost every member of the California delegation from both political parties. It was approved by the House and by the Republican-majority Senate, and signed it into law by President Reagan.

In 1982, Congress extended the moratorium for Northern California and expanded the area to include the Central California coast. The House also approved an amendment by Republican Congressman Jim Courter to prohibit leases off the coast of New Jersey. Again, the majority-Republican Senate approved the bill and Reagan signed it into law. In 1983, the moratoria on offshore leases were continued in Northern and Central California and were expanded to include Southern California, the Florida Gulf Coast, and the Georges Bank off the coast of New England. Republican and Democratic Members of the California and Florida delegations pushed for the moratoria. The Republican-majority Senate approved the Interior Appropriations Act and President Reagan signed it into law.

The Exxon Valdez spill off the Alaskan Coast in March 1989 increased environmental concerns. The Interior Appropriations Act for FY 1990 includes moratoria on leases off of California, Florida, Massachusetts, Bristol Bay of Alaska, and the Atlantic Ocean from Rhode Island to Maryland. President Bush signed the bill into law.

And then came the GHW Bush Executive Order

In June 1990, President George Bush announced a 10-year moratorium on drilling off California, Florida, and New England. The Interior Appropriations Act for FY 1991 included one-year bans on leases for areas not covered in Bush's order, including Bristol Bay in Alaska, the Florida Panhandle, and the Atlantic from New Jersey to Maryland.

You cant just make shit up about a Democratic-led Congress....when the Republicans controlled the Senate and/or the White House.

There have been several legislative efforts to eliminate them over the last couple years by the R's, but none none have been successful. They have been rebuked by the environmentally conscious D's and their majority in the house.

And the Clinton and Bush years, with majority Republican Congress for most of those years.

From 1991 to 2007, the Interior Appropriations Act for each year included moratoria on drilling except off the coasts of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, and parts of Alaska. There was no significant change in policy toward offshore drilling even though Republicans controlled Congress for twelve years from 1995 through 2006.

But you know all about the appropriations process....and its the Democrats fault.