Toyota stop sale - Page 11

Flint · 07-15-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

I was annoyed when I heard this news report on NPR the other day. They didn't give any numbers at all. They said of all the reported incidents, "some" were cause by driver error. That's not very helpful. Was it 99% or was it more like 5%? You leave the report thinking "Well, that's that. It was the drivers' fault." When really you can't make any such statement without the numbers. "Some" is not a number. This article basically says nothing at all.

NHTSA investigation concluded that 74 out of 75 cases were due to driver error. The one remaining case was due to a faulty floor mat. ZERO percent were due to a faulty accelerator system. Heard on the Mark Levin show, no link.

classicman · 07-15-2010, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

no link.

Link or it never happened

spudcon · 07-15-2010, 02:06 PM

When are you folks going to learn that NPR is part of the problem? They want Toyota to fail so Obama Motors won't look as bad as it is.

glatt · 07-15-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by spudcon

When are you folks going to learn that NPR is part of the problem? They want Toyota to fail so Obama Motors won't look as bad as it is.

I was annoyed with NPR because they sounded like a subsidiary of Toyota. Their report sounded like it was written by Toyota's marketing department. It had no details and just spin.

Urbane Guerrilla · 07-16-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

But YOU are the one who has failed to communicate. YOU will not be hired by me if I am a customer. YOUR family will go hungry.

Take the advice. Learn to deal with humans instead of deriding them.

LJ, you know full well Tw doesn't know any better, never did, and has apparently been that way since birth, if not since the zygote stage. His posts tell us people skills are as much a lifelong mystery to Tw as they are to Radar. I imagine that has a good deal to do with why he is no longer employed at GM, and is directly why he is single.

Lamplighter · 08-11-2010, 11:20 AM

This may be turning into a roshak test of government and/or the Toyota Corp.
At least attorneys will be living off of it for years to come...

NY Times article

Early U.S. Tests Find No Toyota Flaw in Electronics
By NICK BUNKLEY
Published: August 10, 2010

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The government’s investigation into complaints of sudden acceleration of Toyota vehicles has found no evidence of flawed electronics in 58 of the vehicles that crashed, federal regulators said Tuesday.
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Though federal officials said the investigation was continuing and they had not yet drawn conclusions, the raw findings support Toyota’s contention that electronics were not at fault and that many of the reports of sudden acceleration might actually have been instances of human error — drivers mistakenly pressing the gas pedal instead of the brake.

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Toyota has recalled nearly nine million Toyota and Lexus vehicles worldwide to correct problems involving floor mats and sticky pedals, and lawmakers and some drivers have long suggested that a malfunction in the electronic throttle control system of the vehicles might explain some of the reports of sudden acceleration.

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One recorder showed that both the brake and accelerator pedals had been pressed. Toyota has said it would install a brake override system, which allows the brake to stop the vehicle even if the accelerator is pressed simultaneously, as standard equipment across its lineup by the end of this year.

TheMercenary · 08-11-2010, 11:33 AM

I have had two Toyotas in my immediate family for a few years now, including the one my dau crashed and the new one I bought her to replace it. We all love them and have not had a single mechanical issue with any of them. I think we will stay with Toyota for the years to come. Even with the floor mat issue I never took mine in for the recall. If you look at how they are designed there is no way in hell that it could make the accelerator stick. Bla, I think it was a big to do about nothing.

Pete Zicato · 08-11-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter

This may be turning into a roshak test of government and/or the Toyota Corp.

Rorschach test?

Lamplighter · 08-11-2010, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

Rorschach test?

You're right... just one of my recurring senior moments

xoxoxoBruce · 08-11-2010, 02:07 PM

Merc, take your Toyota and press both the gas and the brake at the same time. Bet it stops.

classicman · 08-11-2010, 03:07 PM

But Bruce - Toyota mgmt just said they were modifying the design so that when you depress them both the car stops .... What friggin car doesn't stop when you do that?

Flint · 08-11-2010, 03:13 PM

Since there really was no problem to begin with, the "solution" doesn't need to be "designed" either.

classicman · 08-11-2010, 03:33 PM

Does that make sense to you, Flint. There seems to be a whole ton of WTF in the last few weeks about this.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-11-2010, 04:40 PM

Of course it makes sense, it's the cost of public perception. Fool 'em into trusting you.

classicman · 08-11-2010, 04:43 PM

I was wondering if many companies use the same computers.

07-15-2010, 02:06 PM	#153
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	When are you folks going to learn that NPR is part of the problem? They want Toyota to fail so Obama Motors won't look as bad as it is. __________________ "I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

08-11-2010, 11:33 AM	#157
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I have had two Toyotas in my immediate family for a few years now, including the one my dau crashed and the new one I bought her to replace it. We all love them and have not had a single mechanical issue with any of them. I think we will stay with Toyota for the years to come. Even with the floor mat issue I never took mine in for the recall. If you look at how they are designed there is no way in hell that it could make the accelerator stick. Bla, I think it was a big to do about nothing. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

08-11-2010, 02:07 PM	#160
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Merc, take your Toyota and press both the gas and the brake at the same time. Bet it stops. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-11-2010, 03:07 PM	#161
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	But Bruce - Toyota mgmt just said they were modifying the design so that when you depress them both the car stops .... What friggin car doesn't stop when you do that? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

08-11-2010, 03:13 PM	#162
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Since there really was no problem to begin with, the "solution" doesn't need to be "designed" either. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

08-11-2010, 03:33 PM	#163
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Does that make sense to you, Flint. There seems to be a whole ton of WTF in the last few weeks about this. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

08-11-2010, 04:40 PM	#164
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Of course it makes sense, it's the cost of public perception. Fool 'em into trusting you. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-11-2010, 04:43 PM	#165
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I was wondering if many companies use the same computers. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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