Mosque at 51 Park Place, NY, NY

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

And to imagine all the bs that was generated over the issue. Another example of the volatility information age, add a little internet and a hot button issue. What would motivate someone to start this rumor.

Extremists used animosity to blame 11 September on Saddam and Islam. No extremist hatred; then no volatility.

Neither Islam nor Saddam created 11 September. Volatility and "Mission Accomplished" both directly traceable to an extremist agenda. Extremism is the only reason why this thread even exists.

Good that the mosque was proposed. Demonstrated how widespread and explosive this extremist hostility is. Volatility identifies both extremists and those easily brainwashed by their political agenda. Shame on them for so dishonoring the 3000 that died with lies. Islam did not create 11 September. Only lies from a political agenda - not the Internet - created this resulting volatility.

Amazing how some still deny the only reason for this controversy.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I think you've mentioned that.

[tw]

Extremists have not apologized yet for promoting hate that made this issue volatile. Not that I expect extremists to be honest. The purpose of extremism is to lie for a political agenda. An honest apology would only subvert the agenda.

“Fear, little girl. There might be a Muslim hiding in your closet.” Once the word Muslim was replaced by Jew. Same hate. Different bogeyman. Different century. Same purpose.

Next, we will start blaming immigrants. Always have an enemy. Hate makes recruiting the most naïve easy.

[xoxoxoBruce]

No, just illegal immigrants.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

No, just illegal immigrants.

Already some of the most right wing is talking about a population explosion and why we must further restrict all immigration.

The #1 reason for illegal immigration is immigration laws so ridiculous and restrictive as to make people we need go illegal.

So extremists invent myths such as increased kidnapping in Phoenix AZ. Reality. As the number of illegal immigrants increases, kidnappings decreased in Phoenix. Extremisms is about inventing lies to promote hate - ie increased kidnapping in Phoenix. Or Saddam's WMDs - a classic example.

We don’t have an illegal immigration problem. We have screwed up immigration laws. But attacking illegal immigrants is another easy target to promote hate - to promote the wacko extremst agenda.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by tw

The #1 reason for illegal immigration is immigration laws so ridiculous and restrictive as to make people we need go illegal.

False - The #1 reason for illegal immigration is because America is 5 gazillion times better than where they are coming from.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

False - The #1 reason for illegal immigration is because America is 5 gazillion times better than where they are coming from.

So why does the Silicon Valley in less than one week use up all the HiB visas for the entire year. Why do we need 1.8 million farm workers and only issue visas for 20,000? Why do numbers and reality always disagree with wacko rhetoric?

Oh. Islam attacked the WTC. So now its all about evil immigrants - who are traditionally the source of the most productive Americans. Clearly we must protect America from these evil people.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by tw

Extremists have not apologized yet for promoting hate that made this issue volatile. Not that I expect extremists to be honest. The purpose of extremism is to lie for a political agenda. An honest apology would only subvert the agenda.

“Fear, little girl. There might be a Muslim hiding in your closet.” Once the word Muslim was replaced by Jew. Same hate. Different bogeyman. Different century. Same purpose.

Next, we will start blaming immigrants. Always have an enemy. Hate makes recruiting the most naïve easy.

When we say "It's Bush's fault" it's akin to saying "it was Hitler's fault" in my eyes.

I thought about that last night, and was glad to see tw put it much more eloquently than I would have.

If'n you all want to fear someone, fear ME!