Impeding changes to our Health Care system - Page 165

TheMercenary · 10-21-2010, 09:28 PM

Citing health care law, Boeing pares employee plan

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WASHINGTON – Aerospace giant Boeing is joining the list of companies that say the new health care law could have a potential downside for their workers.
In a letter mailed to employees late last week, the company cited the overhaul as part of the reason it is asking some 90,000 nonunion workers to pay significantly more for their health plan next year. A copy of the letter was obtained Monday by The Associated Press.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101018/...h_costs_boeing

xoxoxoBruce · 10-21-2010, 10:09 PM

I read the letter from Boeing to the salaried employees. It's a business decision. Because the main competitor, Airbus, has employees who get medical coverage from their respective governments, also, medical costs have been going up at least twice the inflation rate for years.

This newspaper article blames the law, but the direct quotes are more telling.

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We want to manage our costs so this tax doesn't apply to our plan, but that's down the road," said Forte. "If this health care law hadn't passed, would we be making changes to the health care benefit? Absolutely. For competitive reasons."

TheMercenary · 10-21-2010, 10:24 PM

I guess I just see that their hand is being forced by Obama Care either way. Maybe they are saying that to make it more palatable. But I don't trust them to tell the truth.

Either way Obama Care is pushing insurance rates up, up, up. Just as I predicted. Why? Because there are no controls in the bill and Obama is in bed with the insurance companies and unions. Color me purple. Isn't it interesting that now they are handing out "exceptions" to the law, to whom? Unions. Big Corps that supported the Demoncrats. The list will grow....

classicman · 10-21-2010, 10:28 PM

Where can I file for a waiver? I am now going to spend $600 a month on health insurance.
Thats triple what I was paying.

TheMercenary · 10-21-2010, 10:33 PM

Join a Union. Maybe they will cut you a break. Not.

Shawnee123 · 10-22-2010, 07:30 AM

Just a question: have you had to use a lot of your benefits as of late? Have your cow orkers experienced the same (admittedly) huge jumps in their rates? I'm not being facetious, I just wonder if it's attributable to health care reform? Would you have any insurance at all, or could they have just cut you off completely?

Spexxvet · 10-22-2010, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Hey I got some news today...
My insurance premiums went up 70% Woo Hoo.
I can't imagine how much they would have gone up without HCR. Gobama!

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Originally Posted by classicman

Where can I file for a waiver? I am now going to spend $600 a month on health insurance.
Thats triple what I was paying.

70% increase triples your monthly payment?

Shawnee123 · 10-22-2010, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Obama Care has hit mine as well. They are going up significantly and we have a good plan. But it remains to be seen if we are going to accept it or just completely drop it and ask to become a 1099 employee and get it from the gobberment, I will just take advantage of the screwed up system and put it back on the system.

That's the way to do it! You, sir, are a patriot and a scholar...a fine American.

Lamplighter · 10-22-2010, 09:28 AM

Merc, I thought Vets were eligible for life-time health care through the VA. Is this not so ?

I know there is a problem for vets living a distance from their nearest VA hospital, but I also thought there was a Bill in Congress to provide an alternative assistance to allow such vets to receive care in their home town. But I don't think that Bill has yet been voted on.

classicman · 10-22-2010, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Just a question: have you had to use a lot of your benefits as of late? Have your cow orkers experienced the same (admittedly) huge jumps in their rates? I'm not being facetious, I just wonder if it's attributable to health care reform? Would you have any insurance at all, or could they have just cut you off completely?

Very small group - two of the 4 employees jumped in age groups - for example one guy just turned 46 and the other 56...
This has zero to do with claims.

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

70% increase triples your monthly payment?

Yeh - policy is that the co. pays for the employee and the employee pays for his family. The "employee only" rate did not jump significantly (they rarely do)
The increase is the employee's responsibility.

Spexxvet · 10-22-2010, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Yeh - policy is that the co. pays for the employee and the employee pays for his family. The "employee only" rate did not jump significantly (they rarely do)
The increase is the employee's responsibility.

That sounds fishy. The part of the coverage that the employer pays for doesn't change, but the part that the employee pays for keeps escalating. Employer wins, employee gets screwed again. Hmmmmm...

Shawnee123 · 10-22-2010, 02:07 PM

Thanks for the clarification, and yeah...that is the sux.

classicman · 10-22-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

That sounds fishy. The part of the coverage that the employer pays for doesn't change, but the part that the employee pays for keeps escalating. Employer wins, employee gets screwed again. Hmmmmm...

The employer pays whatever the employee rate is - VERY COMMON.
The employee pays the difference to cover his/her family - VERY COMMON.
The family rate increases much more than the employee only rate - VERY COMMON.

Which part?

Spexxvet · 10-23-2010, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

The employer pays whatever the employee rate is - VERY COMMON.
The employee pays the difference to cover his/her family - VERY COMMON.
The family rate increases much more than the employee only rate - VERY COMMON.

Which part?

Why does the family rate increase much more than the employee rate?

xoxoxoBruce · 10-23-2010, 09:29 AM

Because other than the spouse, the family is usually children or old people.

10-21-2010, 10:24 PM	#2463
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I guess I just see that their hand is being forced by Obama Care either way. Maybe they are saying that to make it more palatable. But I don't trust them to tell the truth. Either way Obama Care is pushing insurance rates up, up, up. Just as I predicted. Why? Because there are no controls in the bill and Obama is in bed with the insurance companies and unions. Color me purple. Isn't it interesting that now they are handing out "exceptions" to the law, to whom? Unions. Big Corps that supported the Demoncrats. The list will grow.... __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012! Last edited by TheMercenary; 10-21-2010 at 10:32 PM.

10-21-2010, 10:28 PM	#2464
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Where can I file for a waiver? I am now going to spend $600 a month on health insurance. Thats triple what I was paying. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-21-2010, 10:33 PM	#2465
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Join a Union. Maybe they will cut you a break. Not. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

10-22-2010, 07:30 AM	#2466
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Just a question: have you had to use a lot of your benefits as of late? Have your cow orkers experienced the same (admittedly) huge jumps in their rates? I'm not being facetious, I just wonder if it's attributable to health care reform? Would you have any insurance at all, or could they have just cut you off completely? __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-22-2010, 02:07 PM	#2472
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Thanks for the clarification, and yeah...that is the sux. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

10-22-2010, 09:28 AM	#2469
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	Merc, I thought Vets were eligible for life-time health care through the VA. Is this not so ? I know there is a problem for vets living a distance from their nearest VA hospital, but I also thought there was a Bill in Congress to provide an alternative assistance to allow such vets to receive care in their home town. But I don't think that Bill has yet been voted on.

10-23-2010, 09:29 AM	#2475
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Because other than the spouse, the family is usually children or old people. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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