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[piercehawkeye45]

I did not find anything real surprising from wikileaks.

[W.HI.P]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I did not find anything real surprising from wikileaks.

neither did i... most Americans that looked found out a lot.
Those who haven't truly looked are either well clouded by the media influence around the topic, or they're too afraid to look, as they face a demolishing of their core beliefs in their nation.
Most American's are happy to be proud.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by W.HI.P

Those who haven't truly looked are either well clouded by the media influence around the topic, or they're too afraid to look, as they face a demolishing of their core beliefs in their nation.

You realize that you are implying that Americans haven't truly looked until they agree with you, right? Many people have a hard time believing this but many Americans can think for themselves and there is no particular political label that generalize this group of Americans.

Also, if you think that wikileaks has exposed a demolishing of core values I am very curious of what you consider American core values.

[W.HI.P]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Also, if you think that wikileaks has exposed a demolishing of core values I am very curious of what you consider American core values.

I'm not even gonna respond to the first part of your post, its pretty low.

Re: the part i did quote, try freedom for one.
For an American to have a glimpse of freedom, he's gotta compare it to a third world countries.
America is full of bars, re: information, speech, expression, demonstration, even in race, religion.
Not comparing the USA to a third world country, what freedom is it exactly that Americans feel they have?
(I could insert hundreds of youtube clips to demonstrate the lack of freedom in the USA, but hopefully you've seen at least some of them to get my point)

Americans believe they have the freedom to chose who runs the country, and yet, regardless of which puppet takes over, its the same people/families/companies that call the shots.

Generally, Americans have this core belief that the USA is the good guy in their foreign affairs, when it is pretty clear that its quite the opposite.

An American, even today, maintains the belief that his/her country, is rich, when the numbers don't actually agree.

An American today, believes that his/her country has some kind of power hold in the world, when in fact, the nation's future can be described in realistic terms, as a pan-handler amongst the worlds nations.

These realities the USA now faces, were pointed out by America's own forefathers who saw this day coming, and warned future Americans of the results we now see unfolding.(Check George Washington, Thomas Jefferson)

Do not mistaken my comments as a generalization of Americans, rather the majority.
I'm well aware that there are several Americans who are aware of the facts, but hold no power to lift the people up to overturn the path, due to the fact that America has failed to up-hold the base of the second amendment..... the original purpose of the amendment has been lost into impossibility.
The foundations of the country were solid, and yet, they have not been held in tact.

Wikileaks has provided just the tip of the truth.
I advise to look beyond commentary on the subject, and focus on the hard evidence that's to come.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by W.HI.P

I'm not even gonna respond to the first part of your post, its pretty low.

It's pretty low but you just responded by telling us what, in your personal perspective, Americans think and then how you "know" better. Then on later posts you drop the term brainwashing, which is rarely used by someone with an unbiased opinion.

From what all I've gathered from wikileaks, no mainstream tv stations or newspapers btw, tells me that our foreign policy tactics have either not changed or even have gotten better (in an ethical sense) since the cold war.

If you have "hard facts" to show me otherwise, I am more than willing to see. Also, please don't show just one or two instances of something happening and then try to generalize all of US foreign policy from it...

[W.HI.P]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

It's pretty low but you just responded by telling us what, in your personal perspective, Americans think and then how you "know" better. Then on later posts you drop the term brainwashing, which is rarely used by someone with an unbiased opinion.

I'm not dropping anything.
Brainwashing is what is going on American television sets.
If you fail to see it, i feel very sorry for you.

[Bullitt]

Originally Posted by W.HI.P

I'm not dropping anything.
Brainwashing is what is going on American television sets.
If you fail to see it, i feel very sorry for you.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by W.HI.P

I'm not dropping anything.
Brainwashing is what is going on American television sets.
If you fail to see it, i feel very sorry for you.

I guess it depends on how you define brainwashing but this is what I see:

US corporate media is run in a capitalist system where ratings are king. Each news corporation has its own flavor but they all stay within the acceptable limits of their mainstream audience. If they did not, viewers would simply change the channel or read a different newspaper.

This type of system will naturally not challenge viewer's/reader's personal views of the world. People do not like their personal worldview to be wrong so it's not in these new agencies' interests to tell the complete raw truth. This is what you see W.H.I.P.

But, there is a limit as how far they can sugarcoat what is going on. Hell, even Noam Chomsky admits that the Wall Street Journal is pretty accurate because US businessmen must have an idea what is going on so they can make rational business decisions. Other newspapers are not that far off either. Plus, with the availability of alternative new sources on the internet, it forces a check on these news agencies.


I will admit, and I'm sure every American on this board will agree with me to some point, that US news is not ideal in any way and that it gets extremely annoying how they care more about appealing to viewers/readers instead of getting the raw truth. But this is not brainwashing. While political agendas do have a role in news, they do not control it. There is no conspiracy where the US government is trying to tell us where to think. It is in their interests to keep us within a certain threshold, yes, but it is not worth it for them to try too hard.

If you want to see brainwashing look at North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, China, Burma, Arab countries, etc. This is a lack of free speech. US news has its problems but it is not brainwashing unless you choose a different definition and then we are arguing semantics.