Impeding changes to our Health Care system

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

<snip>But I'm also in favor of eliminating the idea of pre-existing conditions,
and requiring everyone to carry a plan of some sort.
The whole thing ought to look like the auto insurance industry, IMHO.

My experience with families of kids with developmental disabilities made
the "pre-existing conditions" the best feature of "ObamaCare" and
that requirement for all other health care plans was the best aspect of it all.

My concern for non-Medicare plans is, in fact, sort of like the auto policy situation.
In shopping around you can go for the lowest premiums, but when it's time
to get the car repaired the real world of private insurance raises it's ugly head,
and this is particularly so when there are high cost injuries (medical) involved.

[Griff]

The means testing aspect makes sense, but we know people will game the system by hiding assets. There will have to be a lot of over-site which will cost money and increase complexity.

[TheMercenary]

Well it sort of is starting to look like that with the individual mandate. Only that comes from the STATE, not the Feds. Is it a tax or is it not? Is it a requirement for individuals to take money earned and require them to give it to private enterprise? They would have avoided the mess by providing a Government Option, but that would have opened up a whole nother mess. Either way it is not a done deal, yet.

[BigV]

Why we need a Single Payer health care system.

[Lamplighter]

I wish those who oppose single-payer insurance would set forth their
arguments against it, take a stand and defend their complaining.

[henry quirk]

Lamp, if by 'single payer insurance' you mean, "...one entity -- a government run organization -- collects all health care fees, and pays out all health care costs.", then I stand opposed for the same reason I stand opposed to any and all collected efforts that don't allow me to bow out and go it alone, that being (redundantly): the fuckers won't let me.

Not your job (or any one's) to care for me, pay for me, or provide a safety net for me. That's MY job.

Not my job (or any one's) to care for you, pay for you, or provide a safety net for you. That's YOUR job.

I wish all the busy-bodies would just butt out and leave me be.

You want I should sign a piece of paper absolving you and yours of any responsibility for me? Fork it over...I'll sign (as long as it's understood it's a two-way street...that is: you leave me be to sink or swim; I leave you be to sink or swim).

How folks come together voluntarily and organize themselves and care for each other is none of my concern...go as 'collectivist' as you like...just: leave me alone.

Stay out of my life, my business, my health, etc.

When and if I need a doctor (or any product or service, for that matter): that's my problem, not yours (and vice versa).

[classicman]

HQ - Just asking here...
Do you drive?
Use public transportation, roads, highways and/or bridges?
Do you go to public beaches, libraries or parks?

[henry quirk]

"Do you drive? Use public transportation, roads, highways and/or bridges? Do you go to public beaches, libraries or parks?"

I do all these things.

Please, don't be coy: make the point we both know you're going to make so I can *dismantle it.









*and I will dismantle your point...not in any way you'll agree with or like, of course... :|

[Spexxvet]

One part of the reform that has had a positive effect on my family: When my oldest graduated high school, she couldn't take a gap year, because she couldn't stay on our health insurance policy. My second kid will graduate this year, and can take a gap year, because President Obama enacted the law allowing us to keep kids on our health insurance policy until they are 25 years old.

Thank you, Mr. President.

[Clodfobble]

My friend with a diabetic daughter and a self-employed husband now have health coverage for their family, due to the new laws. Previously, all 6 of them were uninsured because of the one daughter's pre-existing condition.

Thank you, Mr. President.

[infinite monkey]

I like to see these real world accounts of people who have gotten some relief.

Thank you Mr. President.

(Yes!)

[classicman]

Well then HQ, apparently you do not wish to contribute to our society in any way.
How are all those thing going to exist without contributions?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

My friend with a diabetic daughter and a self-employed husband now have health coverage for their family, due to the new laws. Previously, all 6 of them were uninsured because of the one daughter's pre-existing condition.

Thank you, Mr. President.

Wait til they get the bill for their premium.... or wait, will all the rest of be paying that?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

"Do you drive? Use public transportation, roads, highways and/or bridges? Do you go to public beaches, libraries or parks?"

I do all these things.

Can you still pay to use private roads, use private transportation, go to private beaches, bookstores, and country clubs, if you want to and can afford it?

[glatt]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

or wait, will all the rest of [us] be paying that?

That's the whole point of insurance. The healthy pay for the sick. And what they get in return is the promise that they will be taken care of if they get sick.