We all knew this was coming

[wolf]

Originally posted by tw
Not true. Some of the best tea is sun tea? Brewed only in the heat of sun. Being brewed cooler, it does not leach out the bad things into tea.

If I wanted room temperature tea, I would make room temperature tea.

Hot tea needs to be brewed hot.

Dognuts does serve their coffee too hot. Standard procedure is to ask for ice cubes. They even have cups for the ice requests because so many people must ask for ice.

What the heck is Dognuts? Or are you making fun of McDonalds or Dunkin Donuts? Standard procedure to ask for ice cubes?? If it's that's standard, I haven't seen it happen and I've been in a restaurant or two. The "Courtesy Cups" are just that ... meant to be provided to customers as a courtesy who either aren't getting a beverage and want to drink tap water or for the occasional ice request. You may have noticed that they are smaller than the smallest drink cup ... it's so that the frebbie cups don't come out of inventory. (customer reaction to being charged for the full size cups was pretty bad, which is why many restaurants have the 'courtesy' size.) It's not just because their 'coffee is too hot'.

[OnyxCougar]

Originally posted by tw
Not true. Some of the best tea is sun tea? Brewed only in the heat of sun. Being brewed cooler, it does not leach out the bad things into tea.

No, sun tea is garbage. Some of the best brewed tea in the world is chinese tea, served STILL BOILING in the pot.

In addition, look on a package of QUALITY teas from around the world, and you will see in the directions to pour boiling water over the tea leaves, steep for 3-5 minutes, then drain the leaves OR to put the leaves in the water and boil with the leaves in.

"sun tea" is weaker than "real tea" because (1) it's not brewed with boiling water and (2) it's diluted. Tea leaves release their oils and therefore flavor best at boiling temperature.

Yes hot coffee will burn skin, even on old ladies in sweat pants. But even hot coffee in sweat pants should not remove muscle. That detail is the major difference between MacDonalds old coffee and current coffee.

Put ANY hot thing (liquid or solid) against the body for long enough and it will burn badly. The sweatpants acted like a sponge and held that hot liquid to her skin. If the coffee had spilled on to her bare skin, yes, it may have burned her, but not to the extent she was burned due to the sweatpants' soaking up the hot liquid, and subsequent sticking to her skin.

Coffee is hot. You think I'm going to slurp up a Starbuck's the second I get it? No. Why? BECAUSE IT'S HOT. Am I gonna put it between my legs because I'm too friggin lazy to hold it in my hand or wait to "fix it up" until I can set it on a STABLE surface? No. Why? BECAUSE IT'S HOT.

Stupid people are suing because they can find attorneys that understand that this country is filled with stupid people that don't think for themselves.

Next we're gonna see a lawsuit because ice cream was too cold and there were no warning labels, so that epileptic seizure was brought on by the brain freeze and by god, Ben and Jerry's needs to pay!!!

[lumberjim]

Originally posted by tw
Not true. Some of the best tea is sun tea? Brewed only in the heat of sun. Being brewed cooler, it does not leach out the bad things into tea.

Dognuts does serve their coffee too hot. Standard procedure is to ask for ice cubes. They even have cups for the ice requests because so many people must ask for ice.

Yes hot coffee will burn skin, even on old ladies in sweat pants. But even hot coffee in sweat pants should not remove muscle. That detail is the major difference between MacDonalds old coffee and current coffee. It took a lawsuit to fix defective MacDonalds management.

Underlying this discussion is the question of jury verdicts. After the trial, I took this complaint to the judge. Jury is denied any written facts. Jury cannot even have a written copy of the Judge's charge - the directions necessary to form a verdict. Judge said the state Supreme Court says they don't want a jury to have information. Lawyers fear that a smart jury member will use written facts to manipulate the jury (as the Judge explained that Supreme Court decision). And so we found ourselves making decisions only on perceived and therefore emotionally biased facts. We even invented a dollar number only because it sounded good. Facts or logical basis on which that number was created - be damned. We just kept running the number up as if it was an auction - without any facts to base a number on.

MacDonalds verdict is hyped by self serving corporations rather than addressing a real problem in jury trials. Jury is denied basic written material necessary to make a decision - such as trial transcripts. We could not even take notes. We had to invent from memory the seven requirements in that jury charge because those seven necessary facts (from the charge) were not permitted inside the jury room.

MacDonalds got its just due. But lawyers fear to trust a jury with specific facts. More important to have a jury's 'feelings' rather than the fact dominate a jury deliberation. Does an OJ Simpson trial come to mind?

tw, are you intimating that YOU were on that jury?

[perth]

I'm sure it doesn't even matter to anyone at this point, but we are (were) talking holding temperature, not brewing temperature. Theoretically, the liquid is cooling off a bit during and after brewing.

[wolf]

My temperature result was immediately before the pour, rather than the brewing temp. Next time I make a pot I can take that one too.

[lumberjim]

I think i may have earned a spot on tw's ignore list. Would someone else please ask him if he's saying he was on that jury. Or am i missreading his post?

[slang]

Originally posted by lumberjim
Would someone else please ask him if he's saying he was on that jury.

I would but hes on my ignore list.

[wolf]

Originally posted by lumberjim
I think i may have earned a spot on tw's ignore list. Would someone else please ask him if he's saying he was on that jury. Or am i missreading his post?

Don't be silly. TW hasn't left his house in 20 some years ...

edit to add: The infamous Stella was from Albuquerque, NM. TW is not, therefore no.

N.B. As much fun as it is to say, "Albuquerque" is a bitch to spell.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I think he meant he was on a jury for a similar type trial.

[tw]

Originally posted by lumberjim
tw, are you intimating that YOU were on that jury?

MacDonalds verdict is also hyped by self serving corporations rather than addressing a real problem in jury trials. Does that modified sentence eliminate intimation in that post?

For the loss of a word, an intimation was not lost. Bad poetry.

[lumberjim]

oh. ok. this part is what had me confused:

After the trial, I took this complaint to the judge. Jury is denied any written facts. Jury cannot even have a written copy of the Judge's charge - the directions necessary to form a verdict. Judge said the state Supreme Court says they don't want a jury to have information. Lawyers fear that a smart jury member will use written facts to manipulate the jury (as the Judge explained that Supreme Court decision). And so we found ourselves making decisions only on perceived and therefore emotionally biased facts. We even invented a dollar number only because it sounded good. Facts or logical basis on which that number was created - be damned. We just kept running the number up as if it was an auction - without any facts to base a number on.

i thought you were speaking in the 1st person about the mcD's case.

[tw]

Originally posted by lumberjim
I think i may have earned a spot on tw's ignore list.

I have none, nor should I ever need (and this is not a challenge to anyone) an ignore list. In fact, I find the need for such tools among us little people to be silly. Now if i were Susan Smith, well, that ignore list might be useful.

[tw]

Originally posted by wolf
The "Courtesy Cups" are just that ... meant to be provided to customers as a courtesy who either aren't getting a beverage and want to drink tap water or for the occasional ice request. You may have noticed that they are smaller than the smallest drink cup ... it's so that the frebbie cups don't come out of inventory.

Dognuts (as we called it) only recently instituted those tiny cups for ice. Much too small as a cup of water. Cup only holds a few ice cubes; or a shot of bourbon. So many people would ask for ice that some years ago, Dognuts finally began using those small 'ice' (or courtesy) cups.

[poohbearbeth]

everyone is in a big frenzy to sue the jacksons===
let'
s sue baby sister too
OY

[xoxoxoBruce]

After the trial, I took this complaint to the judge.

Has this not been explained or did I miss it?