'African Americans For Obama'

[infinite monkey]

So you know ('for the knowledge') that black people who voted for Obama did so ('for NO OTHER REASON than') because he was black, but you know that YOU voted against him not because of race but because of politics.

Care to cite the stats of all the people who voted for him because he was black, solely because he was black, and not anything to do with his politics?

[glatt]

I think Obama excited people who ordinarily don't vote. And this was especially true in the black community.

It's pretty well established that Republicans are in the minority, but they vote consistently. Democrats are in the majority, but they are just as likely to stay home as to vote. That's why Republics are always opposed to any effort to get out the vote. Because those efforts overwhelmingly support the Democrats.

Whenever the weather is bad on election day, Republicans do better. When it's sunny and turnout is high, Democrats do well.

So yeah, there are a lot of people who voted for Obama because he is black. That excited them, and they voted, and they were Democrats.

[Spexxvet]

I can't speak for DMG, but there are a lot of white folks who voted against Obama solely because he is black, and want him out of office solely because he is black.

[dmg1969]

i.m. I cannot cite any specific stats because I highly doubt that anyone would admit it. Well, forgive me, someone did. Here's a recent example. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hes-black.html

Although he is one example, I would imagine that there are many others who felt likewise. What is many? More than 10 and fewer than a million? I don't know, but you cannot deny that a certain percentage of blacks who voted for Obama did so based on race. And what I said was "quite a few" not all as insinuated by you.

I think Glatt is probably correct about Obama exciting people who would not normally vote. However, one cannot simply ask the question of whether those same people would have felt compelled to vote for Obama if he was white.

I appreciated Glatt's reply because it didn't immediately paint me as a racist for asking a question like others (watermelon, lazy blacks?) Come on folks...not everyone who doesn't like Obama is a racist.

And Spex, you are right. 100%. There are those who did NOT vote for Obama because he was black. I don't have stats for that either, but I do not argue it in the least. And I have as big a problem with someone NOT voting for him based on his race as I do with someone VOTING for him based on it.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

So you know ('for the knowledge') that black people who voted for Obama did so ('for NO OTHER REASON than') because he was black.

Care to cite the stats of all the people who voted for him because he was black, solely because he was black, and not anything to do with his politics?

Snark begets snark ...

When Ebony asked actor Samuel L. Jackson where he stood, his answer raised some eyebrows. Obama's "message didn't mean sh*t to me," Jackson said, according to the New York Post. "I just hoped he would do some of what he said he was gonna do." Implying that Obama has not yet been able to behave like a "scary" "n*gga," Jackson said he hopes Obama will be more "scary" in his second term, "cuz he ain't gotta worry about getting re-elected." "I voted for Barack because he was black," Jackson said. "Cuz that’s why other folks vote for other people — because they look like them."

ETA - Changed link - this sword cuts both ways.

[infinite monkey]

Snark? Fuck you and your snark.

I posed a legitimate question.
And, what Sundae said.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

Snark? Fuck you and your snark.
I posed a legitimate question.

And I you know ('for the knowledge') posted a legitimate answer regarding
"('for NO OTHER REASON than') he's black" with cites.

I wonder how many voted simply on race for vs. against. Did those people who voted
primarily because of race just cancel each other out like those who vote straight ticket D or R.
Then again glatt says that there are more D's than R's but more R's vote.
hmm.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by classicman

Then again glatt says that there are more D's than R's but more R's vote.
hmm.

I was looking for support of my statement and found this, but couldn't be bothered to read it all.

http://myweb.fsu.edu/bgomez/GomezHan...e_JOP_2007.pdf

They looked at weather impacts on elections and saw that it was really complicated but that the following can be shown:

The results of the zero precipitation scenarios
reveal only two instances in which a perfectly dry election
day would have changed an Electoral College
outcome. Dry elections would have led Bill Clinton to
win North Carolina in 1992 and Al Gore to win
Florida in 2000. This latter change in the allocation of
Florida’s electors would have swung the incredibly
close 2000 election in Gore’s favor.

[Sundae]

Originally Posted by classicman

Changed link - this sword cuts both ways.

It proves the concept introduced in the link: the majority of people know shit about politics.
Which is as true here as there.

At least the people interviewed know who Obama is. I'm ashamed to say a similar vox pop in my town might not be able to identify Cameron or Clegg or their politic parties, let alone separate policies.
Dani might appear now to tell me off about my pessimism in respect of the English electorate.

[Rhianne]

Originally Posted by Sundae

At least the people interviewed know who Obama is. I'm ashamed to say a similar vox pop in my town might not be able to identify Cameron or Clegg or their politic parties, let alone separate policies.

Who or what is this 'Clegg' you speak of?

And Cameron, well, it's not as if he's all that important, Her Maj does all the real work, doesn't she.

[bluecuracao]

Around the time of the last democratic nomination and presidential election, I was taking a bus to work where almost all of my fellow riders were black. Everyone (including myself) was very excited about Obama and the elections.

My sense was that the support on that bus wasn't as simple as "just because he's black." It was more of an issue of being able to identify with this particular candidate, and feeling like at last, someone like me will make such an important mark in history and I/we will have our voices heard.

There were actually a few people out of the bus group who were voting for Obama over Hillary Clinton because of his GENDER. According to them, the bible says that women have no place taking leadership over men, or something stupid like that.

If Santorum hadn't made that crack about black people and welfare, he might have been able to get support from bible-thumpers of all colors.