Guns don't kill people .... - Page 4

Uday · 02-16-2011, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

Right. And we make potential drivers take a driver's exam. Why don't gun owners have to take a gun exam?

A potential gun owner should be able to prove that
1) He/She can handle a gun.
2) He/She isn't manifestly crazy.

Who will write tests? Who will grade tests?

Uday · 02-16-2011, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

Personally, I think that would be a good thing. If you can't handle a gun or you are verifiably crazy, then I think you should not be allowed to have a gun.

Maybe I am reading the American constitution wrong. It says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

I look at the dictionary, and infringed means
"1. (tr) to violate or break (a law, an agreement, etc.)
2. (intr; foll by on or upon) to encroach or trespass"

Is my understanding that this means the right to keep and bear arms can not be touched.

Pete Zicato · 02-17-2011, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Mentall illness is already a disqualifier for gun ownership. It has been since 1968. Ya'll have to remember I'm from an area where the majority of folks have guns and hunt. folks who don't have a gun are considered strange.

Here's a summary of the Missouri gun laws.

Here's a summary of the Alabama gun laws.

In both states, as long as you don't know the person and can say you didn't know they were a felon, crazy, or whatever, then you can sell them a gun.

What state are you in, Sarge?

Big Sarge · 02-17-2011, 09:42 AM

You have to look at the Federal Law for these restrictions. These laws are binding in all states and territories. The Gun Control act of 1968 sets limitations as to mental competency and prior criminal offenses. This has also been expanded to cover misdemeanor offenses related to domestic violence. There is a mandatory background check from the US Government before you can purchase. Recently, vets diagnosed with PTSD through the VA have been prevented from purchasing firearms. This has caused problems because it often applies to vets who have never been hospitalized for mentall illness.

I'm from MS. State gun laws are lax because Federal law has taken the front on regulation and prosecution for violations. Remember Federal law supersedes state

toranokaze · 02-19-2011, 10:29 PM

From wikipeda

* Those convicted of felonies and certain misdemeanors
* Fugitives from justice
* Unlawful users of certain depressant, narcotic, or stimulant drugs
* Those adjudicated as mental defectives or incompetents or those committed to any mental institution and currently containing a dangerous mental illness.
* Non-US citizens, unless permanently immigrating into the U.S. or in possession of a hunting license legally issued in the U.S.
* Illegal Aliens
* Those who have renounced U.S. citizenship
* Those persons dishonorably discharged from the Armed Forces
* Minors defined as under the age of eighteen for long guns and handguns, with the exception of Vermont, eligible at age sixteen.
* Persons subject to a restraining order
* Persons convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence (an addition)
* Persons under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for more than one year are ineligible to receive, transport, or ship any firearm or ammunition

Those who already own firearms would normally be required to relinquish them upon conviction.

Urbane Guerrilla · 02-21-2011, 09:26 PM

Spexx is still the biggest supporter of the next genocide that we've got.

That he pursues this, er, distinction is clear. Why he would -- it's less obvious, though evidence may be gathered through Spexx's exhibition of every mental trait listed in "Raging Against Self Defense" over on the JPFO site. He rages inside, and uncontainably.

It is this rage that sparks genocides, for is not rage conducive to hatred also?

I do not suffer from it. Nor do I suffer it to pass unchallenged. Nor did Bruce, nor did Radar.

Lamplighter · 01-25-2012, 09:51 AM

Guns don't always kill people... sometimes they just mess up their heads terribly.

Gabrielle Giffords resigned from House this morning

Washington Post
By Felicia Sonmez
01/25/2012

classicman · 01-25-2012, 01:56 PM

I wish her all the best. She was definitely one of the good ones.
I have no idea what her "recovery" holds in store, but again,
I wish her nothing but good things.

Lamplighter · 02-28-2012, 01:42 PM

3 dead (so far) in Ohio school shooting

Go, go, go, NRA
... Grover Norquist's parents must be so proud

classicman · 02-28-2012, 04:13 PM

Would this have been prevented if there were restrictions on clip size?
Do we even know hoe the boy got the gun?

lookout123 · 02-28-2012, 04:35 PM

No, but it's fun watching knee jerkers blame guns for a murderer's actions.

Big Sarge · 03-01-2012, 06:05 PM

Why are we blaming guns for this? When I grew up I carried a pocket knife at school and usually had a gun in the rack of my pick up. We often hunted just before or after school. We never had these problems until about 15 years ago.

Aliantha · 03-01-2012, 06:12 PM

I think this is a terrible situation.

I think the real issue that needs to be addressed is the marginalisation of some students. In I think just about every case of a school shooting, it's a victim of bullying who's lost the plot and pulled the trigger.

That speaks more to me of the fact that these kids are never taught any coping skills by their parents or the education system.

It's a huge problem.

Big Sarge · 03-01-2012, 06:29 PM

Ali - I agree it is a terrible problem. I'm just so surprised things have changed. Can you believe we even had a smoking area at school?

Aliantha · 03-01-2012, 06:37 PM

We didn't have a smoking area, but there were 'smoking areas' lol

02-17-2011, 09:42 AM	#49
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	You have to look at the Federal Law for these restrictions. These laws are binding in all states and territories. The Gun Control act of 1968 sets limitations as to mental competency and prior criminal offenses. This has also been expanded to cover misdemeanor offenses related to domestic violence. There is a mandatory background check from the US Government before you can purchase. Recently, vets diagnosed with PTSD through the VA have been prevented from purchasing firearms. This has caused problems because it often applies to vets who have never been hospitalized for mentall illness. I'm from MS. State gun laws are lax because Federal law has taken the front on regulation and prosecution for violations. Remember Federal law supersedes state __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

02-19-2011, 10:29 PM	#50
toranokaze I'm still a jerk Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Little Mexico Posts: 1,817	From wikipeda * Those convicted of felonies and certain misdemeanors * Fugitives from justice * Unlawful users of certain depressant, narcotic, or stimulant drugs * Those adjudicated as mental defectives or incompetents or those committed to any mental institution and currently containing a dangerous mental illness. * Non-US citizens, unless permanently immigrating into the U.S. or in possession of a hunting license legally issued in the U.S. * Illegal Aliens * Those who have renounced U.S. citizenship * Those persons dishonorably discharged from the Armed Forces * Minors defined as under the age of eighteen for long guns and handguns, with the exception of Vermont, eligible at age sixteen. * Persons subject to a restraining order * Persons convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence (an addition) * Persons under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for more than one year are ineligible to receive, transport, or ship any firearm or ammunition Those who already own firearms would normally be required to relinquish them upon conviction. __________________ "Without deviation from the norm progress is not possible." - Frank Zappa It is the ignorance of ignorance that lead to the death of knowledge The Virgin Mary does not weep for her son, for he is in paradise. She weeps for the world , for we are in suffering.

02-21-2011, 09:26 PM	#51
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Spexx is still the biggest supporter of the next genocide that we've got. That he pursues this, er, distinction is clear. Why he would -- it's less obvious, though evidence may be gathered through Spexx's exhibition of every mental trait listed in "Raging Against Self Defense" over on the JPFO site. He rages inside, and uncontainably. It is this rage that sparks genocides, for is not rage conducive to hatred also? I do not suffer from it. Nor do I suffer it to pass unchallenged. Nor did Bruce, nor did Radar. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

01-25-2012, 01:56 PM	#53
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I wish her all the best. She was definitely one of the good ones. I have no idea what her "recovery" holds in store, but again, I wish her nothing but good things. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

02-28-2012, 04:13 PM	#55
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Would this have been prevented if there were restrictions on clip size? Do we even know hoe the boy got the gun? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

01-25-2012, 09:51 AM	#52
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	Guns don't always kill people... sometimes they just mess up their heads terribly. Gabrielle Giffords resigned from House this morning Washington Post By Felicia Sonmez 01/25/2012

02-28-2012, 01:42 PM	#54
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	3 dead (so far) in Ohio school shooting Go, go, go, NRA ... Grover Norquist's parents must be so proud

02-28-2012, 04:35 PM	#56
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	No, but it's fun watching knee jerkers blame guns for a murderer's actions. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

03-01-2012, 06:05 PM	#57
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	Why are we blaming guns for this? When I grew up I carried a pocket knife at school and usually had a gun in the rack of my pick up. We often hunted just before or after school. We never had these problems until about 15 years ago. __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

03-01-2012, 06:12 PM	#58
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I think this is a terrible situation. I think the real issue that needs to be addressed is the marginalisation of some students. In I think just about every case of a school shooting, it's a victim of bullying who's lost the plot and pulled the trigger. That speaks more to me of the fact that these kids are never taught any coping skills by their parents or the education system. It's a huge problem. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-01-2012, 06:29 PM	#59
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	Ali - I agree it is a terrible problem. I'm just so surprised things have changed. Can you believe we even had a smoking area at school? __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

03-01-2012, 06:37 PM	#60
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	We didn't have a smoking area, but there were 'smoking areas' lol __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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