Guns don't kill people ....

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Why don't you want the process of investigation and due process to play out?
Your statements confirm that you have convicted this shooter.
Why don't you go to Florida and try to hang him?

Wow Merc !
Where did you get all that from "Go go go NRA"
Maybe a little bit of transference going on here ?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by sexobon

sexobon: ... instead of enabling armed citizens to kill in the name of security, you enable doctors to kill in the name of convenience!

Happy Monkey: ... Trayvon Martin didn't ask to be "secured".

I used the concept of security referring to the person who did the shooting.

Right. Zimmerman did the shooting. Zimmerman killed in the name of security. Treyvon Martin was killed by Zimmerman. Of course I

turned "secured" into a euphemism for being shot, apparently just to make a flippant connection to euthanasia.

Actually, you introduced the flippant between Treyvon Martin and euthanasia:

Originally Posted by sexobon

Oregon Sets Assisted Suicide Record

Go, go, go Oregonians

sexobon: ... Perhaps if he had, he'd still be alive just like the person who claims to have secured himself from him. Duh.

Here, I returned to using the concept of security in my original relevant context...

( Zimmerman providing "security" for his neighborhood)

... suggesting that if Trayvon Martin had asked Zimmerman (a neighborhood watch member) to protect [secure] him when they met, Trayvon Martin couldn't have been characterized as a threat and might still be alive today.

If he'd done what? Approached the armed man who's been following him around and asked him for protection from... what? Again, what are you on about?

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

But how else would you represent a singular antecedent that is gender-neutral and indefinite when you want to use an anaphor that is bound by its antecedent?

Wow, that's not just a grammar Nazi talking, that's the whole Third Reich.

Kidding.

[HungLikeJesus]

It's more the intersection of grammar and engineering.

[sexobon]

@ Happy Monkey

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Trayvon Martin

Go, go, go NRA

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Abortions increase.

Go, go, go, Democrats.

XoB reflected Lamplighter's method and format back at him to make this point:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Could be, I have no Idea, and all the better, because the point was to make a statement as stupid as the one I quoted. ...

You missed that point and distracted from it by challenging the content thus going off on a tangent.

Originally Posted by sexobon

Oregon Sets Assisted Suicide Record

Go, go, go Oregonians

I also reflected Lamplighter's method and format back at him to reiterate xoB's point. You missed the point again and went off on a tangent. Now it's been explained to you twice.

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Right. Zimmerman did the shooting. Zimmerman killed in the name of security. Treyvon Martin was killed by Zimmerman. Of course I

Actually, you introduced the flippant between Treyvon Martin and euthanasia: ...

All besides the point.

I know you as a contrarian more interested in antagonizing certain other personalities than in valid discussion and the type of person who will, to that end, even go so far as to present absurdities and suggest that it's what another person is implying just to bait them:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

( Zimmerman providing "security" for his neighborhood)If he'd done what? Approached the armed man who's been following him around and asked him for protection from... what? Again, what are you on about?

This is the last time I'm going to indulge you.

Even in States with concealed carry permits, brandishing a weapon is illegal. I've not seen evidence that this was done; or, that Martin had actually seen Zimmerman's weapon early on in their interaction. The stand your ground philosophy taken literally would have worked well for Martin as there was no need for him to approach Zimmerman whether Zimmerman was armed or not. That Florida is a concealed carry state was likely known to Martin; also, that Zimmerman could be armed. Martin might have been able to outrun Zimmerman; but, he couldn't outrun a bullet. Remaining in place and offering Zimmerman diffusing conversation was a viable option. Putting himself in a position of dependency by asking for Zimmerman's protection may have given Zimmerman the sense of control he needed to avoid his resorting to using a weapon. What did Martin need protection from?!!! Why his own emotions of course, Martin's fight or flight response was a contributing factor to his own death.

HM, this kind of in-depth discussion is generally of interest to men. Of what interest could it possibly be to you, Happy?

[HungLikeJesus]

But had he seen his doodle?

[Aliantha]

And who had the biggest one?

[ZenGum]

and did he brandish it?

[sexobon]

and was it licensed to kill (007")?

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

It's more the intersection of grammar and engineering.

"Engineers who are poets" Next, on Dr. Phil

[Lamplighter]

Slowly it turns...

LA Times
Tina Susman and Molly Hennessy-Fiske
3/25/12

Trayvon Martin case sheds light on 'stand your ground' issues

George Zimmerman has so far avoided arrest in the killing
of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin by using Florida’s "stand your ground" defense,
but the case has forced even supporters of the statute to confront
what critics say are gaping holes that leave it open to wildly disparate interpretations.
<snip>

[classicman]

I repeat ...
This case is about some asswipe who stalked a kid, chased him down and then shot him after instigating the altercation.
Show me ANYTHING in the "Stand your Ground" law that covers that.
Using that law is an abuse of it, by his lawyer.

[classicman]

... and to offer a little levity (not really)
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[Ibby]

The "stand your ground" comes in when the police and/or DA don't think they can reasonably prove that Zimmerman didn't feel threatened. To a lot of us it's clear the police made a bad call, but they wouldn't have been able to make that (possibly racially biased) bad call if they didn't have a drastic standard of evidence to prove that Zimmerman didn't feel threatened - rather than Zimmerman having to show why HE felt threatened.

[classicman]

To a lot of us it's clear the police made a bad call,

We don't even have all the facts yet.