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DanaC · 07-03-2012, 05:14 AM

Not to mention some drugs are fine in isolation but mix badly with other drugs.

Undertoad · 07-03-2012, 08:08 AM

Hmm... no, I'm pretty sure the psychotic meth people are psychotic due to their long term addictive use. And using really potent versions, and smoking it to get it right into the bloodstream, over time their pleasure centers are just plain burnt out and paranoia sets in.

My friend was a careful user, very smart, studying bio, and still wound up addicted. But he may have been grounded enough and focused enough not to take so much he went over the line to that level.

The History section on Wikipedia is very interesting. For a long long time they didn't even know its adverse effects and it was available over-the-counter.

Griff · 07-03-2012, 08:13 AM

Did your friend put his life back in order?

Undertoad · 07-03-2012, 08:16 AM

I lost touch with him by the time I would have gotten news.

Spexxvet · 07-03-2012, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

But Tony, every expert knows meth turns you into a psychotic knife wielding father raper... within minutes. How could that dude concentrate on studies and complete college? Do you think maybe the experts only see the people doing meth that were psychotic before they did it?

I've done crank a handful of times, and I've always misbehaved while on it. Never illegal misbehavior, just being a dick misbehaving. I doubt if it was psychotic.

Cyber Wolf · 07-03-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I believe you, but I also believe it wasn't because of the pot.

I don't think the pot helped the situation. Even if this guy was already wrong in the head without it, having that extra hallucinogen (possibly mixed with something else as yet undetected) would not have made things better. They clearly didn't here. I know some people can go right off the rails with nothing more than their own brain chemistry and a bad day, and those are the people who shouldn't have anything else of that kind in the system mucking things up.

The problem is, you don't know who those people are until it happens, in the same way you may not know you're allergic to shellfish until you're in the ER with swollen everything and EpiPens sticking out of your thighs.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-03-2012, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

My friend was a careful user, very smart, studying bio, and still wound up addicted. But he may have been grounded enough and focused enough not to take so much he went over the line to that level.

Well shit, that doesn't sell newspapers... or help get drug war funding.

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Originally Posted by Cyber Wolf

I don't think the pot helped the situation. Even if this guy was already wrong in the head without it, having that extra hallucinogen (possibly mixed with something else as yet undetected) would not have made things better.

1-Pot shows up in drug tests weeks after it's had any effect.
2-Pot is not a hallucinogen.

piercehawkeye45 · 07-03-2012, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

2-Pot is not a hallucinogen.

It can be.

Four years ago I had some brownies that were so potent I thought I had an acid trip.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-03-2012, 11:34 AM

That was just a sugar rush.

Cyber Wolf · 07-03-2012, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

2-Pot is not a hallucinogen.

It sure is. It's classified as such. It may be a mild one, but it is one. It's not as powerful as acid or LSD, sure. But it is chemically a hallucinogen. Users' experiences will vary, just like with any drug. Compare with pain killers. Just because aspirin may not relieve pain from an individual's ouchie doesn't mean it's not an analgesic. Some people (for whatever reason) need Schedule II before the pain goes away.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-03-2012, 12:16 PM

Balderdash, only by people with a buck to be made or job security in mind, not by people that know what the fuck they're talking about.

piercehawkeye45 · 07-03-2012, 12:29 PM

There is still too much we don't know to make black and white classifications. The effects of weed change tremendously depending on strain and the person and seems to fall under multiple different categories.

I am not aware of any explanation for the effects me and two of my friends felt (we came to the conclusion pretty much independently BTW) while the other three people taking it felt no such thing besides being very high. Also, there are anecdotal reports of weed users experiencing HPPD (Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder), which only occurs from use of hallucinogenic drugs. I wouldn't classify weed as a pure hallucinogenic but it can have hallucinogenic properties.

Cyber Wolf · 07-03-2012, 12:32 PM

Well since I'm not looking to make a buck and it has nothing to do with my job or its security...

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High doses of cannabis can cause hallucinations and sensory distortions that can be very scary. Those who use the drug when anxious or depressed may find these conditions made worse. Panic and paranoia could then result.

Drugs that can ease pain are call pain killers. Drugs that can stimulate the nervous system are called stimulants. Drugs that can cause hallucinations are called hallucinogens.

piercehawkeye45 · 07-03-2012, 12:33 PM

Weed can do all three.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-03-2012, 12:38 PM

Like all inebriants YMMV, depending of the phase of the Moon, weight of the jockey, and square of the date.

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piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	There is still too much we don't know to make black and white classifications. The effects of weed change tremendously depending on strain and the person and seems to fall under multiple different categories. I am not aware of any explanation for the effects me and two of my friends felt (we came to the conclusion pretty much independently BTW) while the other three people taking it felt no such thing besides being very high. Also, there are anecdotal reports of weed users experiencing HPPD (Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder), which only occurs from use of hallucinogenic drugs. I wouldn't classify weed as a pure hallucinogenic but it can have hallucinogenic properties. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

07-03-2012, 12:33 PM	#44
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Weed can do all three. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

07-03-2012, 08:08 AM	#32
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Hmm... no, I'm pretty sure the psychotic meth people are psychotic due to their long term addictive use. And using really potent versions, and smoking it to get it right into the bloodstream, over time their pleasure centers are just plain burnt out and paranoia sets in. My friend was a careful user, very smart, studying bio, and still wound up addicted. But he may have been grounded enough and focused enough not to take so much he went over the line to that level. The History section on Wikipedia is very interesting. For a long long time they didn't even know its adverse effects and it was available over-the-counter.

07-03-2012, 08:16 AM	#34
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I lost touch with him by the time I would have gotten news.

07-03-2012, 12:38 PM	#45
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Like all inebriants YMMV, depending of the phase of the Moon, weight of the jockey, and square of the date. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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