Why is it ok to treat women like shit?

[DanaC]

Seriously Jim? They don't show anything. There's barely any skin showing. No underwear, no nothing.

[jimhelm]

ok, say you're me. I'm in my office. I click a NON NSFW thread just as one of my macho buddies walk in. this loads: (click the arrow)

Originally Posted by Ibby

click the arrow_________^

This is not safe for Jim.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by jimhelm

V, if you click the arrows in the quotes Ibb linked, it takes you to the posts in question.

Still.. it's an NSFW thread. We all (including Grav) do a pretty good job of containing that kind of image within the NSFW threads. Personally, I find Ib's pictures in the RFN 2012 extremely creepy, and I think THEY should be in the NSFW area. But I didn't say anything at the time. I'm kind of done with the kid gloves now though.

Thanks for the cellar pro-tip jim, I didn't realize that.

My point still stands. In my experience, this would be akin to standing in the room, arms akimbo, silently glaring in the direction of the evidence of the offense in question (laundry, computer porn, dirty dishes, credit card receipt, that Hawaiian shirt, etc) . As opposed to just *saying*, plainly "That bothers me" perhaps accompanied by a helpful pointing gesture. Helpful cathartic gestures optional, of course.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by jimhelm

ok, say you're me. I'm in my office. I click a NON NSFW thread just as one of my macho buddies walk in. this loads: (click the arrow)

This is not safe for Jim.

That's a fair point. I think calling the pics 'creepy' was a bit mean though. I'd be really hurt if someone said a pic of me trying to look pretty was creepy.

[glatt]

Sorry I missed those posts. Some time, when I'm not at work, I'll move 'em.

[infinite monkey]

Originally Posted by jimhelm

ok, say you're me. I'm in my office. I click a NON NSFW thread just as one of my macho buddies walk in. this loads: (click the arrow)

This is not safe for Jim.

This.

[jimhelm]

Originally Posted by DanaC

That's a fair point. I think calling the pics 'creepy' was a bit mean though. I'd be really hurt if someone said a pic of me trying to look pretty was creepy.

well, that's why I didn't say anything at the time, Dana. But for someone who demands tolerance, Ib is pretty goddamn intolerant.

Now, I find myself altering my posts to avoid gendered pronouns, for fucks sake. At what point does enough of the joy get sucked out of this place by all the worrying about who you're going to offend?

[DanaC]

I get that. And I think you could have said something at the time. Just y'know...in a less hurtful way. I don't see anything wrong, myself, with telling Ibs to put stuff with a sexy pose in the nsfw thread, regardless of if there's anything on show, on the grounds that the world we all move in is not the same as the Cellar.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by jimhelm

well, that's why I didn't say anything at the time, Dana. But for someone who demands tolerance, Ib is pretty goddamn intolerant.

Now, I find myself altering my posts to avoid gendered pronouns, for fucks sake. At what point does enough of the joy get sucked out of this place by all the worrying about who you're going to offend?
--snip

Jim, in the immortal words of Wm Shakespeare:

Originally Posted by Cardinal Wolsey; Henry VIII

Still in thy right hand carry gentle peace,
To silence envious tongues. Be just, and fear not.

[SamIam]

I don't get it. What's so wierd about a pretty girl, fully clothed, showing off her tie collection? It's a little different, but BFD. As I posted earlier, I don't give a flying shit if men (or women) want to post cocks or tits or what have you on the NSFW threads. I don't read those threads and up to now ignorance has been bliss.

But I come down strongly on Ibby's side concerning the first link she provided for grvdigr's posts in the NSFW Motivational thread. I came up in the days before the idea of equal rights for women had ever even been thought of. In high school, I had a chemistry teacher who firmly believed that women could not understand science, and he told us that the first day of class. He informed us that no woman, no matter how well she scored on exams and homework would never recieve an "A" from him. Conversely, a woman could never attend a single class, flunk every test and still receive a "C" because the poor thing lacked the capacity to understand anything much beyond home economics. The principle and other teachers knew about this man's prejudice, but nary a one stepped in to correct the situation.

I wanted to study climatology when I was going to school in the 70's. I was actually accepted into a prestigous graduate program in that field. I was the token woman in that department. Every other student was male. I was the target of any number of sexist comments made by the FACULTY, not my fellow grad students. I had been awarded a teaching assistent position which would have covered my tuition and given me a small stipend, as well.

That teaching asignment was what did me in. There were 8 of those awards in the department of climatology, but only one of them was in direct conflict with Climatology 500, a class REQUIRED of every climatology grad major. It was an incredibly difficult class that involved such advanced math that it made my old nemesis calculus seem like the multiplication tables. Guess who got that sole conflicting teaching assignment?

Now, the department may have had a perfectly valid reason for giving it to the sole woman, but if so, they never mentioned it to me. I was told I could "comp" the climatology class and take the final with everyone else. Right. I still can see that book in my mind's eye. It was a slender dark blue volume and it started right out with differential equations - something that I was introduced to briefly 4 years before and had never used again. Let me tell you, I cried over that text and how far I was falling behind my classmates who got to go to the lectures and ask the prof questions. Call me a wimp or a "woman with no head for science," but I was forced to quit that program. I regret it to this day.

I could go on, but I'm sure you get the general idea.

Grvdigger can post all the tits and ass he wants, but his other post was way out of line. His anti-women posts are about as amusing as the following from:

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If an African American saw shit like this posted here, would he be justified in getting upset? But a woman shouldn't get upset over similiarly demeaning junk? Why not? What's the difference?

[Sheldonrs]

Just my 2 cents:

I'm a 51 year old gay male. I freely admit that the 1st thing I think of when I meet someone else with male parts is "Would I fuck this guy?"
Don't know if that means I objectify or demean them or not.
I just know that I have a dick and as long as it works, I'll keep think with it when i damn well want to.

[Gravdigr]

Originally Posted by Ibby

I... refuse to attach the images, but
submitted for your consideration.
As evidence that the issue here isn't just liking purdy lady-bits.

If you're gonna cite, which is more than Brianna did, cite correctly, instead of just trying to continue stirring shit up.

Both those posts you point out were posted AFTER the shit flew. And were/are clearly retaliatory posts. Anybody with a brain cell would see that.

Carry on.

[Gravdigr]

Man.

You people are getting pretty goddamned free with the 'N' word lately. Racism must be coming into vogue. Again.

I don't suppose it's possible YOU are offending ppl with that shit, is it?

[Gravdigr]

Originally Posted by SamIam

...I come down strongly on Ibby's side concerning the first link she provided for grvdigr's posts in the NSFW Motivational thread...

Dear SamIAm: If you can get over being offended for, oh, say, 3 seconds, please observe the post times of the posts in question and note them in relation to Brianna's.

Have a nice day!

[Undertoad]

You people are getting pretty goddamned free with the 'N' word lately. Racism must be coming into vogue. Again.

I don't suppose it's possible YOU are offending ppl with that shit, is it?

there's an interesting rub.

Gilbert Gottfried on CNN today, talks about what happened after he was fired by Aflac for making tsunami jokes. Bold mine.

People on the Internet were screaming for my death. The news media jumped in, but of course their job is to make a mouse fart sound like it's a nuclear explosion. They reported on it and repeated my jokes, which seems odd: If what I said is so shocking and inexcusable, why are they repeating it?