Cellar US presidential election exit poll 2012

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

WTF!!!! 15 people have voted and I'm the only vote for Romney??? I guess I am the only enlightened one

Benighted. The word you are looking for is benighted, not enlightened. That means something different.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Gravdigr

Couldn't vote.

Haven't bothered getting my rights back.

also sad.

but I'm glad you're out here, hanging with us!

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

Benighted. The word you are looking for is benighted, not enlightened. That means something different.

I think Sarge should be knighted... the Cellar's own knight errant.

[BigV]

huzzah!

[Gravdigr]

Originally Posted by BigV

also sad.

Yeah, I know.

Butbutbut, I gotta fill out two (2) forms, fold 'em up, put 'em in an envelope, stamp it, and then walk all the way to the end of the driveway.

Sounds like a lotta work.

[Big Sarge]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

I think Sarge should be knighted... the Cellar's own knight errant.

Thank you, but I must confess I would probably be a better jester/fool.

I now realize I am surrounded by a bunch of "damn heathen democrats" as my momma used to say.

[Undertoad]

I voted for Obama but IMO this condition is not the healthiest for the Cellar.

[DanaC]

if the republicans had managed to shut their nutjobs up for a while I suspect a lot more dwellars would have voted Romney.

I suspect there are probably just as many conservatives here as there ever were, it's just that the republican party has become so characterised by its lunatic fringe that ordinary sensible conservatives no longer feel they can support them.

From what I have seen on news coverage and current affairs programmes, the majority of Americans seem to be fiscal conservatives and social liberals. And by fiscal conservatives I don't mean the neo-con hand it all to super corporations brand. This is simply not reflected by the party which would historically have most represented their views.

[Undertoad]

Still, it was a 51-49 kind of election, no matter what the basic belief system is.

It may just be inevitable that any community, over time, winds up on one side or the other.

[piercehawkeye45]

I don't think everyone on the cellar thinks the same way but it is more that we are exposed to the same narrative. This election was so polarizing because the narratives of each candidate were so different. Obama supporters see things one way and Romney supporters see something completely different. While everyone here has our own unique views, we were able to more or less agree that the narrative the Romney camp was promoting is bad for the country.

It was extremely frustrating for me to have a rational discussion with strong Romney fans or even read articles written by Romney supporters because there are so many fundamental disagreements. Virtually no common ground exists on the issues that were being discussed. That is why there was talk on both sides about the world collapsing if the other guy gets elected.

I think the unity of this discussion board depends on how Republicans react to this election. I'm not against many conservative ideas, but I would never be able to get behind anything they are pushing right now.

[fargon]

I voted for Gary Johnson, and I have decided that Obama and Romney are both bad for the country.

[Aliantha]

Well, quite a number of the strong right wingers just don't post here anymore...in any of the forums including politics.

I think that's a shame. Although I'm definitely left leaning, I miss the ones you all love to hate. They were my friends. Not that you all aren't, but it's a shame it gets so messy here at times.

[Cyber Wolf]

People like this guy are why this country can't move forward with ALL of its peoples and ideas. He would make all Democrats (and any non-hard line Republicans I'm sure) second-class citizens with no voting rights if he could, in complete contrast to his beliefs. This self-styled Libertarian just needs to remember that the rights he fights for with so much froth and venom allow me to double-tap his face if he ever offered me violence because I'm not a raving Libertarian myself.

His solution to the situation at hand: Become the most intolerable asshole to random people and encourage others to ruin their lives to march in step. Hah... and they call others 'sheeple'.

The end of liberty in America: Only course of action now is to fight back, electoral politics not working

[Image: Time to tell any Democrats you know to fuck off and die]

by Eric Dondero

This may be my last post here at Libertarian Republican for quite some time, possibly forever. I had a long discussion with my friend Jim "Right Guy" Lagnese last night. He has agreed, tentatively to take over this website. I cannot think of a better person to run things. He has a good head on his shoulders. He has the absolute right ideology, a Ron Paul Constitutionalist who recognizes the evils of Islam, and supports a strong military, defense of America and of course, our personal rights to gun ownership. Please give Jim all your support in the coming weeks, months, and possibly years.

Dr. Clifford Thies will still be contributing of course. Jim will take great care to publish all his numerous articles, and witty commentary. I am deeply grateful to my dear friend Clifford for all he has done to assist me since I started this website 6 years ago.

Now, that said. Firstly, I was wrong. I let my optimism get the best of me. I even lashed out at Thomas L. Knapp a time or two, saying he was nuts for his predictions. Tom was right. I was fantastically wrong. We were crushed last night at all levels, most especially in the Senate races. There is virtually no good news from last night's results for the libertarian wing of the GOP. I apologize Tom. I hope you can see fit to accept my apology.

Secondly, today starts a new course for my life. I've soured on electoral politics given what happened last night. I believe now the best course of action is outright revolt. What do I mean by that?

Well, to each his own. Some may choose to push secession in their state legislatures. Others may choose to leave the U.S. for good (Costa Rica, Switzerland, Italy, Argentina, Hong Kong, Israel). Still others may want to personally separate themselves from the United States here in North America while still living under communist rule' the Glenn Beck, grab your guns, food storage, build bunkers, survivalist route. I heartily endorse all these efforts.

[Image: Express your hatred, shame, and outright disgust with anyone you know who voted Democrat]

However, for me, I'm choosing another rather unique path; a personal boycott, if you will. Starting early this morning, I am going to un-friend every single individual on Facebook who voted for Obama, or I even suspect may have Democrat leanings. I will do the same in person. All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt.

I strongly urge all other libertarians to do the same. Are you married to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who voted 'O'. Divorce them. Break up with them without haste. Vow not to attend family functions, Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas for example, if there will be any family members in attendance who are Democrats.

Do you work for someone who voted for Obama? Quit your job. Co-workers who voted for Obama. Simply don't talk to them in the workplace, unless your boss instructs you too for work-related only purposes. Have clients who voted Democrat? Call them up this morning and tell them to take their business elsewhere.

Have a neighbor who votes for Obama? You could take a crap on their lawn. Then again, probably not a good idea since it would be technically illegal to do this. But you could have your dog take care of business. Not your fault if he just happens to choose that particular spot.

And start your boycott of your Democrat friends and family today. Like this morning. First thing you can do, very easy, is to un-friend all Democrats from your Facebook account.

[Image: Boycott Business who accept Welfare payments ]

Thirdly, I believe we all need to express disgust with Obama and Democrats in public places. To some extent I already do this. Example:

When I'm at the Wal-mart or grocery story I typically pay with my debit card. On the pad it comes up, "EBT, Debit, Credit, Cash." I make it a point to say loudly to the check-out clerk, "EBT, what is that for?" She inevitably says, "it's government assistance." I respond, "Oh, you mean welfare? Great. I work for a living. I'm paying for my food with my own hard-earned dollars. And other people get their food for free." And I look around with disgust, making sure others in line have heard me.

I am going to step this up. I am going to do far more of this in my life. It's going to be my personal crusade. I hope other libertarians and conservatives will eventually join me.

What I plan to do this week, is to get yard signs made up, at my own expense, that read, "EBT is for Welfare Moochers." I will put the signs out on public property off of the right-of-way so it's entirely legal, in front of every convenience store or grocery store that has a sign out saying "EBT Accepted Here." I may even do some sign waving in front of these stores, holding up my "EBT is for Welfare Moochers," sign, and waving to passers-by.

If I meet a Democrat in my life from here on out, I will shun them immediately. I will spit on the ground in front of them, being careful not to spit in their general direction so that they can't charge me with some stupid little nuisance law. Then I'll tell them in no un-certain terms: "I do not associate with Democrats. You all are communist pigs, and I have nothing but utter disgust for you. Sir/Madam, you are scum of the earth." Then I'll turn and walk the other way.

Buttons. Boy, you can have a lot of fun with this. I plan to make up a bunch of buttons, and wear them around town, sayings like "Democrats are Communist Pigs," or "Welfare moochers steal from hard-working Americans," "Only Nazis support Seat Belt laws" or "No Smoking Ban: Nanny-Staters go Fuck Yourselves."

There are so many other nasty little things I plan to do against the communists and those who support them. Perhaps I'll keep Jim informed and he can report on my activities here at LR.

For now, off to my first assignment: Telling all my friends and family who voted for Obama to "fuck off, don't ever speak to me again you slimeball mother fuckers." Wish me luck!

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

if the republicans had managed to shut their nutjobs up for a while I suspect a lot more dwellars would have voted Romney.

I never would have voted for Romney in a million years, myself, but there are plenty of situations where I would vote for a Republican over a Democrat. I did vote for several local Republicans in our state races. But yes, on the national level they have to stop putting up social conservative, big-money nutjobs.

Even the GOP knew Romney was a shithead, remember how they didn't even pretend to be happy when he won the nomination? "Maybe not the guy you or I would have chosen, but, you have to go with what you have." The Dems knew Kerry was a bad choice in 2008, too. Nobody really good ever runs against an incumbent, they save their mojo for a clean year.

2016 could be a really amazing election year. Or the GOP could continue to pander to a minority base. We'll see. But another thing: I'm really not sure we're more divided than we've ever been. In the 50s/60s, people actively shunned neighbors and in the right crowd it was a scathing insult to say "their family is all Democrats (or Republicans.)" We always want to believe it's the worst it's ever been, but usually it's exactly the same as it's ever been.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Nobody really good ever runs against an incumbent, they save their mojo for a clean year.

Lately that's true, but Clinton ran against Bush I and I thought he was pretty good. He probably only won because of Perot though.

And remember Dukakis against Bush I? That was my first presidential election. Dukakis wasn't exactly strong. LOL. Neither was an incumbent.