Guns don't kill people ....

henry quirk · 01-17-2013, 09:26 AM

HA!

No, not 'obtuse', but 'sophist'.

henry quirk · 01-17-2013, 09:55 AM

...does anything other than 'soothe' the public?

Which of the following does anything other than make folks 'feel good'?

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-17-2013, 10:31 AM

Since the POTUS doesn't make laws there's only so much he can do except prod congress and give direction to existing agencies that have discretion.

1, 2, and 3 will help if they get serious about background checks, there's a lot of information not going into the database.

9, may help cut down straw purchases for gang bangers.

14, when Biden & Co tryed to come up with solutions, everyone they asked said there's no data. That wasn't an accident.

16, that's no accident either.

It won't stop anything but it's a start.

Nirvana · 01-17-2013, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by henry quirk

HA!

No, not 'obtuse', but 'sophist'.

That would imply he was skilled in deception, not so

strawman comes to mind...

Nirvana · 01-17-2013, 12:42 PM

16. leaves me a bit squeamish I don't think it's any of my Drs biz if I have a gun. If the Dr is a Psychiatrist maybe...

henry quirk · 01-17-2013, 01:21 PM

HA!

I amend myself, then: 'unskilled sophist'.

##

"I don't think it's any of my Drs biz if I have a gun"

Agreed, which is why I'll tell the doc, 'that ain't germane to nuthin', move on, Doc.'

The doc can ask me anything he or she likes...no compulsion on my part, however, to answer.

##

"we have LOTS of other rules in our society (another concept I know you have an allergic reaction to)"

Yes, and I ignore most of them, hence my *shrug* regarding any and all suggestions (moderate or extreme) that come down the trestle on how to control guns and/or gun owners.

Ban away! Restrict away!

Catch me, if you can...

footfootfoot · 01-17-2013, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana

16. leaves me a bit squeamish I don't think it's any of my Drs biz if I have a gun. If the Dr is a Psychiatrist maybe...

My doc asked mainly to be sure we practice good "gun hygiene" in the house. Locked out of reach of the kids, ammo kept separately, etc etc.

glatt · 01-18-2013, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

My doc asked mainly to be sure we practice good "gun hygiene" in the house. Locked out of reach of the kids, ammo kept separately, etc etc.

Our pediatrician asks pretty regularly too. I'm in favor of the question. If the simple question can get an idiot gun owner who isn't practicing safe gun storage around kids to pause and think for a minute about what they are doing, then it's worth it. It's like asking if you smoke or drink or do other things that increase your risk of getting hurt. Simple patient history questions.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-18-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

Our pediatrician asks pretty regularly too. I'm in favor of the question. If the simple question can get an idiot gun owner who isn't practicing safe gun storage around kids to pause and think for a minute about what they are doing, then it's worth it. It's like asking if you smoke or drink or do other things that increase your risk of getting hurt. Simple patient history questions.

And even the ones that choose to lie to the doctor(you can do that), may think about cleaning up their act on the way home. No harm, no foul.

Gravdigr · 01-18-2013, 02:58 PM

Spexxvet · 01-18-2013, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

My doc asked mainly to be sure we practice good "gun hygiene" in the house. Locked out of reach of the kids, ammo kept separately, etc etc.

Do you?

henry quirk · 01-18-2013, 08:59 AM

Indeed.

Don't expect much support from this crowd, however.

I made the same point with my comments about 'response' versus 'reaction' and my post was met with silence.

Again: passion (anger, hate, fear, frustration) is the enemy of response and is the bedrock foundation for reaction.

*shrug*

henry quirk · 01-18-2013, 09:16 AM

What's unfortunate (for those in favor of tighter controls)...

Not a one of these orders (or the laws that may eventually extend out from them) address the estimated 270,000,000 guns (and accompanying ammunition) 'out and about' now.

01-17-2013, 09:26 AM	#1
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"Obtuse thy name is Big V" HA! No, not 'obtuse', but 'sophist'.

01-17-2013, 09:55 AM	#2
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	Which of the following... ...does anything other than 'soothe' the public? Which of the following does anything other than make folks 'feel good'? 1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system. 2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system. 3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system. 4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks. 5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun. 6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers. 7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign. 8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission). 9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations. 10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement. 11. Nominate an ATF director. 12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations. 13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. 14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence. 15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies. 16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes. 17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities. 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers. 19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education. 20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover. 21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges. 22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations. 23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

01-17-2013, 10:31 AM	#3
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Since the POTUS doesn't make laws there's only so much he can do except prod congress and give direction to existing agencies that have discretion. 1, 2, and 3 will help if they get serious about background checks, there's a lot of information not going into the database. 9, may help cut down straw purchases for gang bangers. 14, when Biden & Co tryed to come up with solutions, everyone they asked said there's no data. That wasn't an accident. 16, that's no accident either. It won't stop anything but it's a start. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-17-2013, 12:42 PM	#5
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	16. leaves me a bit squeamish I don't think it's any of my Drs biz if I have a gun. If the Dr is a Psychiatrist maybe... __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

01-17-2013, 01:21 PM	#6
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"That would imply he was skilled in deception" HA! I amend myself, then: 'unskilled sophist'. ## "I don't think it's any of my Drs biz if I have a gun" Agreed, which is why I'll tell the doc, 'that ain't germane to nuthin', move on, Doc.' The doc can ask me anything he or she likes...no compulsion on my part, however, to answer. ## "we have LOTS of other rules in our society (another concept I know you have an allergic reaction to)" Yes, and I ignore most of them, hence my shrug regarding any and all suggestions (moderate or extreme) that come down the trestle on how to control guns and/or gun owners. Ban away! Restrict away! Catch me, if you can...

01-18-2013, 02:58 PM	#10
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01-18-2013, 08:59 AM	#12
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"YAY FOR POINTLESS EMOTIONAL DECISIONS!" Indeed. Don't expect much support from this crowd, however. I made the same point with my comments about 'response' versus 'reaction' and my post was met with silence. Again: passion (anger, hate, fear, frustration) is the enemy of response and is the bedrock foundation for reaction. shrug

01-18-2013, 09:16 AM	#13
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	regarding the 23 exec orders posted up-thread What's unfortunate (for those in favor of tighter controls)... Not a one of these orders (or the laws that may eventually extend out from them) address the estimated 270,000,000 guns (and accompanying ammunition) 'out and about' now.

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