Guns don't kill people .... - Page 46

Pico and ME · 01-19-2013, 05:53 PM

So is claiming that 88.8% of the USA's population owns guns and that number is what is reducing crime in America compared to Great Britain. So is not owning up to the different ways the governments in both countries report crime. If Grav's site source has its base statistic wrong, how can anything else it is saying have any real merit?

Pete Zicato · 01-19-2013, 06:35 PM

Quote:

In the US – population 311.5 million (1) – there were an estimated 13,756 murders in 2009 (2), a rate of about 5.0 per 100,000 (3). Of these 9,203 were carried out with a firearm.

In the UK – population 56.1 million (4) – there were an estimated 550 murders in 2011-12 (5), a rate of about 1.4 per 100,000. Of these 39 were carried out with a firearm (6).

From here:
http://fleshisgrass.wordpress.com/20...eapon-updated/

Yes. The years of measurement are different, but I think the numbers tell the story.

orthodoc · 01-19-2013, 07:13 PM

My point was that in the article quoted, the author was dishonest in taking statistics and pulling data out of them in order to change the results to what he wanted. I didn't comment on anything else.

I don't care what the politics of an author are; I do care whether the numbers are honestly reported and correct. I realize that both sides manipulate numbers, but I was only commenting on the article at hand. This author was dishonest. Admittedly, he was upfront about his dishonesty.

Pico and ME · 01-19-2013, 08:45 PM

Otho, i'm sorry, I wasnt really responding to you, I was just piggybacking off your post so that I could add my two cents about Grav's previous post.

orthodoc · 01-19-2013, 09:04 PM

Sorry, I didn't mean to be testy ... I normally stay out of this thread.

footfootfoot · 01-19-2013, 09:52 PM

If anyone is really interested they can go to CDC's website and look up stats for deaths by all causes.

toranokaze · 01-23-2013, 12:31 AM

If guns are the issue themselves why are the streets of Canada not running red with blood as the streets of the US are ?

xoxoxoBruce · 01-23-2013, 02:28 AM

That would be liquid littering which is rude and un-Canadian.

Spexxvet · 01-23-2013, 08:37 AM

If violent movies and video games are the issue themselves why are the streets of Canada not running red with blood as the streets of the US are ?

ZenGum · 01-24-2013, 06:42 AM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-8463957.html

Quote:

Figures out next month are expected to confirm the long-term decline in gun crime which resulted in 39 people shot dead in 2011/12 compared with a high of 96 ten years earlier.

SNIP

But improved intelligence-led operations, poor quality guns and munitions, better community links to divert gang activity, and improved surgery for gunshot victims have all contributed to reduced deaths from gun violence, according to experts and police.

A comparative shortage of guns in circulation has triggered a price spike in the underworld firearms market, according to detectives.

More at the link.

Spexxvet · 01-25-2013, 08:03 AM

Our most basic right is the vote. The vote is limited - one vote per person per election, must be a citizen, must be registered to vote, citizens in prison can't vote, must be 18 or older to vote, etc. Why is that we can limit voting rights, but not gun rights?

footfootfoot · 01-25-2013, 12:07 PM

Guns certainly won't be killing people in my house.

Trilby · 01-25-2013, 12:36 PM

what happened foot? Did she sneak them out??

I'm so sorry for what is going on with you right now...I don't pretend to know what it is but I know you're hurting and I'm truly sorry.

footfootfoot · 01-25-2013, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trilby

what happened foot? Did she sneak them out??

I'm so sorry for what is going on with you right now...I don't pretend to know what it is but I know you're hurting and I'm truly sorry.

I guess so. Thanks. I know it will be over by summer. The key is to keep things amicable as long as the kids are minors.

happy place...

Trilby · 01-25-2013, 01:17 PM

ugh.

I don't know what to say that doesn't sound---platitudinous...maybe you could smash some dishes?

01-19-2013, 05:53 PM	#676
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	So is claiming that 88.8% of the USA's population owns guns and that number is what is reducing crime in America compared to Great Britain. So is not owning up to the different ways the governments in both countries report crime. If Grav's site source has its base statistic wrong, how can anything else it is saying have any real merit? __________________ Jesse LaGreca in 2012 “Seven Deadly Sins: Wealth without work, Pleasure without conscience, Science without humanity, Knowledge without character, Politics without principle, Commerce without morality, Worship without sacrifice.” – Mahatma Gandhi Last edited by Pico and ME; 01-19-2013 at 06:00 PM.

01-19-2013, 07:13 PM	#678
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	My point was that in the article quoted, the author was dishonest in taking statistics and pulling data out of them in order to change the results to what he wanted. I didn't comment on anything else. I don't care what the politics of an author are; I do care whether the numbers are honestly reported and correct. I realize that both sides manipulate numbers, but I was only commenting on the article at hand. This author was dishonest. Admittedly, he was upfront about his dishonesty. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

01-19-2013, 08:45 PM	#679
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	Otho, i'm sorry, I wasnt really responding to you, I was just piggybacking off your post so that I could add my two cents about Grav's previous post. __________________ Jesse LaGreca in 2012 “Seven Deadly Sins: Wealth without work, Pleasure without conscience, Science without humanity, Knowledge without character, Politics without principle, Commerce without morality, Worship without sacrifice.” – Mahatma Gandhi

01-19-2013, 09:04 PM	#680
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	Sorry, I didn't mean to be testy ... I normally stay out of this thread. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

01-19-2013, 09:52 PM	#681
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	If anyone is really interested they can go to CDC's website and look up stats for deaths by all causes. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

01-23-2013, 12:31 AM	#682
toranokaze I'm still a jerk Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Little Mexico Posts: 1,817	If guns are the issue themselves why are the streets of Canada not running red with blood as the streets of the US are ? __________________ "Without deviation from the norm progress is not possible." - Frank Zappa It is the ignorance of ignorance that lead to the death of knowledge The Virgin Mary does not weep for her son, for he is in paradise. She weeps for the world , for we are in suffering.

01-23-2013, 02:28 AM	#683
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That would be liquid littering which is rude and un-Canadian. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-23-2013, 08:37 AM	#684
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	If violent movies and video games are the issue themselves why are the streets of Canada not running red with blood as the streets of the US are ? __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

01-25-2013, 08:03 AM	#686
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Our most basic right is the vote. The vote is limited - one vote per person per election, must be a citizen, must be registered to vote, citizens in prison can't vote, must be 18 or older to vote, etc. Why is that we can limit voting rights, but not gun rights? __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

01-25-2013, 12:07 PM	#687
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Guns certainly won't be killing people in my house. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

01-25-2013, 12:36 PM	#688
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	what happened foot? Did she sneak them out?? I'm so sorry for what is going on with you right now...I don't pretend to know what it is but I know you're hurting and I'm truly sorry. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

01-25-2013, 01:17 PM	#690
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	ugh. I don't know what to say that doesn't sound---platitudinous...maybe you could smash some dishes? __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

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