Now that all those NSA is eavesdropping on us

[xoxoxoBruce]

1- Except for a brief statement, we don't know exactly what Snowdon was saying, or if it was true. We only get what other people thought he said.
2- We don't know what the NSA is doing with this supposed capability, only what people are speculating they can do.

[infinite monkey]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

1- Except for a brief statement, we don't know exactly what Snowdon was saying, or if it was true. We only get what other people thought he said.
2- We don't know what the NSA is doing with this supposed capability, only what people are speculating they can do.

sounds like the zimmerman trial, but jumping to the island of unknown conclusions was the cool thing to do in that case.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

1- Except for a brief statement, we don't know exactly what Snowdon was saying, or if it was true. We only get what other people thought he said.
2- We don't know what the NSA is doing with this supposed capability, only what people are speculating they can do.

The NSA director has stated that they are collecting "metadata" (date, time, callers phone numbers, names, etc.), on EVERY phone call, both from inside the USA, or calls going to or coming from, outside the USA.

Also, they are collecting every email (encrypted or not), every Skype call, etc., to or from, every person inside the USA.

All the above, and more, are being stored. At any time they want, they can recall and read every record they wish. They would not need, in practice, any judicial approval whatsoever.

We need to go back to the simple idea that the CIA and NSA work OUTSIDE the USA, not inside it, and nobody archives every form of signal (call, email, video, etc.), from every citizen.

[xoxoxoBruce]

We knew in 2007 they were monitoring everything going through the country, and everything coming in from, or going out to, other countries.

There has been a lot of cartoons, and comedians joking about the NSA listening to your phone calls but I think that has misled the public. As I understand it, they are only keeping what number you called and how long the call lasted, unless they are already on your ass for some other reason. If that's the case, nothing will stop them.

[Griff]

Now even Andrew Sullivan has come out against the surveillance state.

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/...eenwald-right/

Its too bad it had to be personal to get it through his head.

[Lamplighter]

Indeed.



Remember when Nixon was running for President the first time,
he used a campaign slogan "Bring Us Together",
and he did just that with Watergate ... everyone ended up hating him.

Unfortunately for Obama, I think PRISM is doing that too.
I have been very disappointed in Obama's public stance in defending it.

So ironically, maybe less polarization will be the result here also.

[glatt]

Heh. Yeah. I voted for Obama twice, and son, I am dissapoint.

But I still think he's much better than Romney would have been and probably also McCain. Not sure about McCain. McCain might have been ok.

I think Christie will be our next president. I wonder what he'll be like?

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by glatt

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I think Christie will be our next president. I wonder what he'll be like?

Oh, the horrors

Think of the children !