So the short fat Latino dude ...

[chrisinhouston]

I thought this was a good annalysis of some of the reasons the jury reached the decision they did, that being based on the way the judge explained the law and her instructions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alafai...ef=mostpopular

[chrisinhouston]

Adak, I think you are misunderstanding what is known as "the castle doctrine" which most "stand your ground" laws are based on. I believe it had more to do with protecting one's home or "castle." I don't follow your connection to people being conscripted to serve in battle. I also think it worth noting that current UK laws have no such provision and that a home owner defending his/her home with a weapon is most likely breaking the law!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/cele...ith-knife.html

I also don't understand your claim that AG Holder is a liar. I thought his speech was pertinent and extemely personal as to his experinces as a black man.

Origin of Castle Doctrin laws from Wikipedia:
According to 18th-century Presbyterian minister and biblical commentator Matthew Henry, the prohibition of murder found in the Torah contains an exception for legitimate self-defense. A home defender who struck and killed a thief caught in the act of breaking in at night was not guilty of bloodshed. “If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the thief owes no blood-debt to the home-defender; but if the thief lives, he owes a blood-debt to the home-defender and must make restitution.”[7][8]

The American interpretation of this doctrine is largely derived from the English Common Law as it stood in the 18th century. In Book 4, Chapter 16[9] of William Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, he states that the laws "leave him (the inhabitant) the natural right of killing the aggressor (the burglar)" and goes on to generalize in the following words: And the law of England has so particular and tender a regard to the immunity of a man's house, that it stiles it his castle, and will never suffer it to be violated with immunity: agreeing herein with the sentiments of ancient Rome, as expressed in the works of Tully;[10] quid enim sanctius, quid omni religione munitius, quam domus unusquisque civium?[11] For this reason no doors can in general be broken open to execute any civil process; though, in criminal causes, the public safety supersedes the private. Hence also in part arises the animadversion of the law upon eaves-droppers, nusancers, and incendiaries: and to this principle it must be assigned, that a man may assemble people together lawfully without danger of raising a riot, rout, or unlawful assembly, in order to protect and defend his house; which he is not permitted to do in any other case.
—William Blackstone,*Commentaries on the Laws of England

[Spexxvet]

To the juror who said Zimmerman's heart was in the right place:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/1...ave-had-a-gun/

In July 2005, he was arrested for“resisting officer with violence.” The neighborhood watch volunteer who wanted to be a cop got into a scuffle with cops who were questioning a friend for alleged underage drinking. The charges were reduced and then waived after he entered an alcohol education program. Then in August 2005, Zimmerman’s former fiance sought a restraining order against him because of domestic violence. Zimmerman sought a restraining order against her in return. Both were granted. Meanwhile, over the course of eight years, Zimmerman made at least 46 calls to the Sanford (Fla.) Police Department reporting suspicious activity involving black males.

Violence against women
violence against authority
alcohol problem
paranoia of African Americans

It's no wonder Martin is dead. If Trayvon had the gun that night, and killed Zimmerman, I think the outcome would have been different.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by chrisinhouston

Adak, I think you are misunderstanding what is known as "the castle doctrine" which most "stand your ground" laws are based on. I believe it had more to do with protecting one's home or "castle." I don't follow your connection to people being conscripted to serve in battle. I also think it worth noting that current UK laws have no such provision and that a home owner defending his/her home with a weapon is most likely breaking the law!

I also don't understand your claim that AG Holder is a liar. I thought his speech was pertinent and extemely personal as to his experinces as a black man.

Since being outside your home is central to the Martin/Zimmerman case, I don't see any relationship to a "Castle Doctrine", which pertains directly to those who are inside their homes.

Frankly, I don't care WHAT his personal experiences are - whether he's white or black, or brown or purple. What Holder is DOING is the only thing I care about - and so far, it's been a lot on the negative side, and damn little on the positive side.

Holder has withheld documents required by law, from Darryl Issa's investigation committee. He's also lied about it, and had some of the whistleblowers, fired. Fast and Furious was a line item in his departments budget, and a special program designed and approved by retards (which includes him, since he ultimately approves everything in his department).

What is Holder's department doing to investigate and prosecute the federal crime committed by the IRS, in suppressing the conservative 501c/501c[3] applications, prior to the last election?

This was #2 on the impeachment actions taken against Richard Nixon. But under Holder, -- it's crickets singing in the night.

The Black Panthers were stationing teams of men armed with clubs, outside voting sites in Philly. Documentation and pics were made of it, by reporters.

But under Holder, -- no investigation, and no prosecution.

I haven't seen anything good come out of the DOJ, since Holder took over. Have you?

If so, what?

[Lamplighter]

Adak, I'm sure you have been too busy following the Zimmerman case,
and just overlooked a previous posting about Darryl Issa's self-generated "scandals", etc.

But this was my summary in a different thread just a few days ago.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Adak, I'm sure you have been too busy following the Zimmerman case,
and just overlooked a previous posting about Darryl Issa's self-generated "scandals", etc.

But this was my summary in a different thread just a few days ago.

I actually have tried to avoid the Zimmerman case details. After Martin's girl friend said Martin told her he was going back and would "fix that cracker following me", I had a very good idea of the incident, as far as intent goes.

There were a lot of mistakes made by Zimmerman and Martin, but it was Martin who made the incident into a fight.

I agree that there is some political posturing on Obama's every perceived shortfall, but that has been the way of Washington, since Nixon's impeachment. I equate that with stock cars "swapping paint" on the track.

But, the IRS scandal rises up FAR above the level of political posturing. THAT is a federal crime. The Benghazi incident was a real "I will lie to your face, and you must believe it", act by Obama. That's right up there with Bush's "weapons of mass destruction in Iraq" bullshit.

One reason why several of these scandals seem blown out of proportion (in addition to the political posturing of the Republicans), is that the mainstream media gives Obama (and his administration), a nearly perfectly free pass on all of them. There's almost no heat directed back at Obama - which is quite the change, hearkening back to the days of the Kennedy's, when the media just looked the other way on a lot of Presidential mis-deeds.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Adak

But, the IRS scandal rises up FAR above the level of political posturing. THAT is a federal crime.

Every hearing Issa holds on that "scandal" ends up making it less and less scandalous.

[Adak]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Every hearing Issa holds on that "scandal" ends up making it less and less scandalous.

May seem like it, but it's winding it's way upward. Started as a few "rogue" IRS agents, then it went to a Cincinnati IRS manager who got off the rails a bit, but now it's up to Obama's own appointee.

We'll have his name before long.