Pedophilia Irish Style

[Adak]

They've known about the problem, in the Vatican, for decades. Even had a special commission set up to study it, headed by a leading Cardinal. This was done by the last Pope, not the current one, btw.

The decision made was "we're going to fix this"... by doing as little as possible, whilst sweeping it out of the media.

Tragic to see the EXTRA damage they have wrought on their own congregation's kids, and on the institution of the church itself.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Adak

They've known about the problem, in the Vatican, for decades. Even had a special commission set up to study it, headed by a leading Cardinal.

Which 'they' and which Cardinal? What happened to the report? Was that what the Pope's Butler was leaking to reporters?

[Adak]

Originally Posted by tw

Which 'they' and which Cardinal? What happened to the report? Was that what the Pope's Butler was leaking to reporters?

Pope John 23rd knew about the problem. He had Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani, Secretary of the Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office, send out an official notification of how these cases should be handled.

Ottaviani was the most powerful Cardinal at that time. This was in 1962, and John 23rd was in his last year as Pope.

In 1983, Cardinal Ratzinger and others pushed through a revision to the Church law, explicitly including sex with minors, as a serious crime. Ratzinger was a very powerful Cardinal (later, Pope Benedict 16th). It wasn't until the scandal was circling the globe in 2001, that Pope John 2nd finally called it a serious crime ("grave sin"), and reinforced the position of the church that all such crimes should be reported to the local authorities.

2002 - Background checks for priests in the US only, required by the Church.

2005 - Pope Benedict accused in Texas, of covering up a case of church sex with minors. George Bush and others, helped exclude the Pope, from the lawsuit.

Check out "Vatican Responses" section here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

for much more info. They tell you what the Vatican did, but don't tell you what the Vatican didn't, do, to correct this problem. For instance, if background checks were needed to help fight the problem in the US, why weren't they used in Australia, Philippines, Ireland, UK, and (perhaps), globally?

The Vatican denied it was a serious problem, for far too long. Then they denied it was a problem anywhere else except in the US and maybe Canada. Then it blew up in their faces, globally. I doubt if the Catholic Church will ever recover what it has lost.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Adak

I doubt if the Catholic Church will ever recover what it has lost.

I think you're correct. The church is pretty much over except in Africa where its policies smell like radical islam.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Griff

The church is pretty much over except in Africa where its policies smell like radical islam.

What do you mean by 'over'. Over as in dead? Or over doing a cover up and protection of people who promote hate?

Apparently the Vatican has recently released historical details of Pope Pius reign during WWII. It discusses support for Mussolini (for Vatican political reasons) followed by regret and inaction as Mussolini and Hitler became close friends.

Have similar historical facts been released by the Vatican for Pope John XXIII? Is that why (or if) details about Ottaviani recently become available?

Was any of this pedophilia problem part of so many leaks by Pope Benedict's butler?

[tw]

The questions remain unanswered when it should cause major news stories and discussion.

Originally Posted by tw

I am amazed how nobody is commenting about widespread and condoned pedophilia by the Catholic Church in ...

An Italian prosecutor has, essentially, warned this Pope that he could be targeted for assasination ... if not something else. The widespread pedophilia all but openly protected by the Archdiocese of Philadelphia and essentially permitted by a Pennsylvania State Legislature for at least 10 years is only a tip of an iceberg. An institution so corrupt that it would have no problem electing Richard Nixon as a Saint.

Routine money laundering recently exposed when one top church official was caught trying to sneak 20 million Euros to what was probably secret accounts in Switzerland. May explain, in part, why US regulators empowered by a government not bought and paid for by the rich is heavily prosecuting or restricting six largest Swiss banks (see the latest stories about Credit Suisse) for money laundering.

Why did the Pope's Butler leak documents so detailed that even Wooodward and Bernstein could only wish they had seen similar during their investigations? And after he was caught and sentenced, how or why was this Butler released with all benefits (ie Pensions) restored?

Most of the Curia (those who actually run the church) are probably some of the world's greatest white collar criminals. Corruption is said to be in every leadership position. But a guerilla war may be ongoing. With dangers that may make tame Lukid's successuful calls for murder of their own Prime Minister. Insurgents apparently got the Pope's ear after he had previously thrown them out without listening. His Butler's leaks (see Vatileaks) and a mild public outcry apparently made Pope Benedict realize he is only a puppet of a powerful crime institution. Or he may have realized it was time to get out while looking innocent; leaving other to be accused.

Benedict previously appointed a top manager to the Vatican Bank. Corrupt Cardinals in the Curia literally fired him with contempt. The Pope was never told. He learned of it much later on Italian TV news. Corrupt leadership is that massive and that powerful.

No accident is that seven dioceses adjacent to Philadelphia ignored Catholic church sponsored pedophilia. Refused to prosecute or even investigate. No accident is that Pennsylvania lawmakers refused for ten years to create laws to permit prosecution of pedophile priests. Even refused to pass laws after government protection of Sandusky (by PA DA Corbett) was exposed. The church has that much power, in part, because so many are so brainwashed as to endorse religious beliefs rather than what is their obligations as humans. Catholics, like all humans, are responsible for being informed.

Frontline confirmed what The Economist and UN defined as high level corruption. But Frontline makes the extent of that corruption vast. It was no accident that a church bank official was found hanging by his neck dead from a London bridge. Nobody was prosecuted or even suspected for the crime. An institution now suspected so corrupt that virutally every major nation's banking system has put Church transactions under investigation.

Do not blame all. Otherwise you might encourage deaths by friendly fire. There exists a major insurgency. Meanwhile, every Catholic should be apologizing for being part of a world wide criminal organization that may be the world's largest crime family. Apologizing if not previously publically critical of a crime family headed by a father, son, and holy ghost (is that their hitman?).

Active sex parties may be routine especially in and around Vatican City. Frontline shows video from these parties. Only summarized is a small part what Fronltine presented:
Secrets of the Vatican Preview and
Secrets of the Vatican or
PBS .

[tw]

Maybe try this link:
Secrets of the Vatican