Gulf coast oil spill

[glatt]

According to Wikipedia, a barrel of oil is 42 gallons or about 159 liters. Other liquids measured in barrels are 55 gallons, but oil is 42.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel#For_storage_of_oil

[GunMaster357]

Originally Posted by glatt

According to Wikipedia, a barrel of oil is 42 gallons or about 159 liters. Other liquids measured in barrels are 55 gallons, but oil is 42.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel#For_storage_of_oil

Thanks for the correction. Though I'm familiar with US/UK units from my reading, I don't use them on a regular basis.




I'll say that if BP says 5000 barrels a day, you can probably add between 25% to 75% to that amount.

Therefore, an estimation of 10 000 barrels/day seems reasonable... as long as BP isn't lying through its teeth.

As for paying the cleaning of the coast, there's no third party between BP and the goverment. It's should be easy enough to present them with the bill.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by glatt

According to Wikipedia, a barrel of oil is 42 gallons or about 159 liters. Other liquids measured in barrels are 55 gallons, but oil is 42.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel#For_storage_of_oil

That sounds like a good reason to use gallons (or liters) when mentioning it in the news. We're not talking about the wholesale market; we're talking about liquid dumping into the sea. Best to use a measurement that is more commonly understood. However many people know the 55 gallon number, I would guess that fewer know the special case for oil.

I don't care how many barrels BP won't be able to sell; I care how many gallons are being spewed into the sea.

[tw]

If the house special is blackfish, would you order it?

[ZenGum]

As in, how much oil? BP has been offering numbers around 5,000 barrels per day, other estimates range from 20,000 to 70,000 barrels per day.

In metric terms, this is 1.7 gigashitloads per day.

[ZenGum]

BP now claim to be capturing 10,000 bpd or more, yet they estimate that this is less than half of the leak currently flowing. Do the maths.
In their defence, the cut-and-cap move did initially increase the flow, but only 'marginally' whatever that means.
I would not rule out the possibility that BP is indeed lying through its teeth.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

I would not rule out the possibility that BP is indeed lying through its teeth.

fixed that for ya.

[HungLikeJesus]

I just received an e-mail from the agency for which I work, seeking suggestions for sub-surface containment, surface containment, shoreline cleanup and remediation, safety improvements, and flow stoppage of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. These suggestions will be vetted and passed up to senior leadership for "accelerated consideration," if appropriate.

So if any one here has any real suggestions I would be glad to pass them on. Here is our chance to do more than just complain about the problem.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

So if any one here has any real suggestions I would be glad to pass them on. Here is our chance to do more than just complain about the problem.

:cricketsmilie:

[Spexxvet]

Furthermore, contrary to the happy talk propounded by BP, the Obama Administration and the press

Bullshit. There's no "happy talk" coming from the Obama administration or the press.

[squirell nutkin]

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

I just received an e-mail from the agency for which I work, seeking suggestions for sub-surface containment, surface containment, shoreline cleanup and remediation, safety improvements, and flow stoppage of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. These suggestions will be vetted and passed up to senior leadership for "accelerated consideration," if appropriate.

So if any one here has any real suggestions I would be glad to pass them on. Here is our chance to do more than just complain about the problem.

I actually have an idea that many people think is sound. The only problem is I don't know what the interior of the well shaft is made of and its diameter. I actually have a serious possible solution but its efficacy rests on my assumptions, which may be wrong, about the material and dimensions of an oil well. And what is the pressure of the oil coming out of the pipe?
pm me the info

[HungLikeJesus]

Originally Posted by squirell nutkin

I actually have an idea that many people think is sound. The only problem is I don't know what the interior of the well shaft is made of and its diameter. I actually have a serious possible solution but its efficacy rests on my assumptions, which may be wrong, about the material and dimensions of an oil well. And what is the pressure of the oil coming out of the pipe?
pm me the info

The inside of the well shaft is made of black licorice. The diameter is about like a small pizza.

Actually I'm not involved with that project in any way - they just sent out an e-mail to the whole company and it said that we should pass along any suggestions that we receive. I'd definitely like to hear what you're thinking, sn.

[gvidas]

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

I just received an e-mail from the agency for which I work, seeking suggestions for sub-surface containment, surface containment, shoreline cleanup and remediation, safety improvements, and flow stoppage of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. These suggestions will be vetted and passed up to senior leadership for "accelerated consideration," if appropriate.

So if any one here has any real suggestions I would be glad to pass them on. Here is our chance to do more than just complain about the problem.

The current containment cap is scheduled to be removed in a week or two, right? That's why they're still looking for suggestions?

The actual rate of flow should be measured at that point. A lot of errors (both of management and design) could have been prevented if the volume and speed of oil had been known.

[tw]

Originally Posted by gvidas

The actual rate of flow should be measured at that point. A lot of errors (both of management and design) could have been prevented if the volume and speed of oil had been known.

It always was known. But if you knew how large that flow is, you might get angry. It is called spin. The exact same technique used so that we "knew Saddam had WMDs."

A Navy skimmer has just arrived for Gulf duty. How many gallons does it skim before returning to port? 1200 gallon. How large is the flow out of that wellhead? About 1 to 3 million gallons per day. See why they fear you might see numbers?

Silly is to worry about a solution. In late August, the first relief well might intercept the leaking well. Might. At one miles below the surface and another 15,000 feet underground, it must hit a pipe that is maybe 4 inches in diameter. And hope the drill head does not break off. If the drill head breaks off, they must start all over again drilling another well. Until then, this oil will continue leaking. Live with reality. Flow will continue all summer. There is no other viable solution.

People who don't wait to be told are already asking who will be purchasing the remains of BP. It should be obvious. BP as a viable company is done. We got the government regulation they paid for. This is what you must now live with. Deal with that reality.

The numbers are known. Those numbers are well above the 5000 barrels per day that BP spin was preaching. If you think numbers are unknown, then BP spin has you right where they wanted you. Learn from history: Saddam’s WMDs. Use the exact same thinking process to see through the spin.


Zengum - the USSR used a tactical nuclear weapons on an Arctic Ocean oil well - back when nobody was looking. If was their last and only option. They got lucky. It worked.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by tw

It always was known. But if you knew how large that flow is, you might get angry. It is called spin.

Also, the fine is based on flow.