What do you hear when people say freedom? - Page 13

DanaC · 04-21-2009, 05:46 PM

@ Queenie: Whoah, whoah whoah there. Please do not lump me and Sugar in with Henry as some kind of academic contingent. Please. Not given the rest of your post.

@ Henry: please, don't take this as some kind of attempt at infringing upon your creative freedom (pun intended) but I find your posts very difficult to read. It really does make for an easier and more enjoyable reading experience if the quotes are clearly marked out, especially if they're separated from the body of the text and visually marked out as different.

Aliantha · 04-21-2009, 05:56 PM

All I have to say is, "OH MY FUCKING GOD!" (and I don't even know if god exists...or fucks for that matter...oh shit, I'm going to hell!)

Urbane Guerrilla · 05-19-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

All I have to say is, "OH MY FUCKING GOD!" (and I don't even know if god exists...or fucks for that matter...oh shit, I'm going to hell!)

Well, offhand it looks like an essential qualification for God the Father, if perhaps not for God the Son... (is hell a flash of insight?!)

... apropos of absolutely nothing in this thread, the excessively trinitarian use only 3-in-1 Oil...

DanaC · 05-19-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

... apropos of absolutely nothing in this thread, the excessively trinitarian use only 3-in-1 Oil...

Please tell me you made that up...

DanaC · 04-21-2009, 06:27 PM

Look me up when you get there.

Aliantha · 04-21-2009, 06:32 PM

We can have a cellar.org reunion.

Shawnee123 · 04-21-2009, 06:34 PM

I do hope you realize that I have already signed on to be satan's girlfriend. I get the good room. I'll invite you over for drinks sometimes, though.

Aliantha · 04-21-2009, 06:42 PM

Yes well, as the first lady of hell, you wont get as much time to party as we will, having less responsibility and all you know.

Shawnee123 · 04-21-2009, 06:43 PM

He is one demanding devil! Sigh, such is my lot in life, um, I mean death.

Queen of the Ryche · 04-22-2009, 09:11 AM

Sorry Dana, not meant as an insult. You and Sugar and Henry and Whip are obviously way more well read than I. All I was trying to say to Henry is BACK THE F OFF. The point of the post was to discuss what YOUR OWN PERSONAL concept of freedom is; not to belittle everyone else's as he has done. I was just sooooo tired of him shouting in incomplete sentneces from his soapbox about how right he is. I felt the need to speak up, no matter how DENSE he might think I am.

Why am I in this handbasket, and why is it so hot?

DanaC · 04-22-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Queen of the Ryche

Sorry Dana, not meant as an insult. You and Sugar and Henry and Whip are obviously way more well read than I. All I was trying to say to Henry is BACK THE F OFF. The point of the post was to discuss what YOUR OWN PERSONAL concept of freedom is; not to belittle everyone else's as he has done. I was just sooooo tired of him shouting in incomplete sentneces from his soapbox about how right he is. I felt the need to speak up, no matter how DENSE he might think I am.

Why am I in this handbasket, and why is it so hot?

*smiles* wasn't insulted. My tongue was in my cheek when I posted.

Queen of the Ryche · 04-22-2009, 02:10 PM

Thank you Bruce. My opinion of your opinion of Henry's opinion of my opinion is that I like your opinion.

K great Dana. You are an extremely bright woman. I think I used to be, but real life has burned away the educated section of brain cells. It's all been reduced to practicality.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-23-2009, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Queen of the Ryche

K great Dana. You are an extremely bright woman.

Bah, she's just a burned out old hippie.

henry quirk · 04-23-2009, 10:26 AM

"You will not change my opinion of you sir, no matter how hard you try. I still see you as a bitter Academic with a sad sour view of the world and those around you. That is all."

you misunderstand, queenie: i don't give a flip of your opinion about 'me'...i'm simply defending what i posted (my words and the meanings of those words) against misinterpretation

think of 'me' whatever you like

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"i think , what you post is so fucking stupid"

and i, dear whip, think you're a fucking idiot: pedestrian, unoriginal, boring

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"All I was trying to say to Henry is BACK THE F OFF"

if you, queenie, can comment 'freely' about my posts and -- in the process -- characterize me as 'a bitter Academic' (which as far as i can see, has no relevance at all to the substance of my posts in this thread), then i can continue to post what i like, as i like, till a mod takes away the privilege

it seems what's good for the goose is indeed good for the gander...

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"I was just sooooo tired of him shouting in incomplete sentneces from his soapbox about how right he is."

but queenie: the whole point of philosophy (which is what this sub-forum is all about) is the on-going debate of ideas...this is not the 'nothingland', this is 'philosophy'

my 'shouting' in this thread, within this forum, is what happens when ideas are debated

seems to me: if you want to 'play nice', 'be nice', there are plenty of other sub-forums and threads to meander 'round in

you'll note: i'm mostly confined to a handful of threads, a smattering of sub-forums...mainly, because so many others (many where you are quite prominent, i must add) are useless ego strokes and vehicles for virtual and public flirtations

do i walk through, stick my nose in, and comment about how vapid you are there and there and there?

no: i do not

i leave you to your idiocies and feel no compulsion to 'attention seek' at your expense

you, however, haven't addressed anything i've written in this thread other than to essentially say, 'henry makes me 'feel bad'!

now: i can't stop you or anyone from doing that...but, then: you can't stop me either...you can't stop me from being, as you say, bitter and angry, and you can't stop me from carrying on an act of philosophical debate with anyone who cares to engage me

(and when is someone gonna do that? there's lots of poo-pooing, but no real attempts at refutation)

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"in the Cellar you have "freedom" to post your crap"

a 'freedom' given to you, bruce, by another (the owner and mods allowing your membership, allowing you to post without editing) is not a 'freedom' in the sense of being 'free' of anything

it's privilege: pure and simple

as for my 'crap': the owner/mods can pull the plug on me any time...not a dammed thing i can do about it

that i'm still here says a lot about the owner/mods tolerance for different views, or, perhaps it says something for the owner/mods AGREEING with me

hmmm...

regardless of owner/mods motivation(s): i'm here, you're here, we're all HERE only because the guy/gal with the power allows it...this is not 'freedom', this -- again -- is privilege

to be redundant (HA!): if you rely on another to provide or secure a 'right' or 'freedom' for you then you have no 'right' or 'freedom' only a privilege

the owner/mods give; the owner/ mods taketh away...

DanaC · 04-23-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Bah, she's just a burned out old manc tart.

Fixed that for ya

[eta] one man's vapidity is another man's light-heartedness. Frivolity and whimsy have their place. Personally, I spend way more time posting frivolous 'vapid' stuff than anything of any weight. Which is nice. I think.

04-21-2009, 05:46 PM	#1
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	@ Queenie: Whoah, whoah whoah there. Please do not lump me and Sugar in with Henry as some kind of academic contingent. Please. Not given the rest of your post. @ Henry: please, don't take this as some kind of attempt at infringing upon your creative freedom (pun intended) but I find your posts very difficult to read. It really does make for an easier and more enjoyable reading experience if the quotes are clearly marked out, especially if they're separated from the body of the text and visually marked out as different. Last edited by DanaC; 04-21-2009 at 05:51 PM.

04-21-2009, 05:56 PM	#2
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	All I have to say is, "OH MY FUCKING GOD!" (and I don't even know if god exists...or fucks for that matter...oh shit, I'm going to hell!) __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

04-21-2009, 06:32 PM	#6
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	We can have a cellar.org reunion. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

04-21-2009, 06:34 PM	#7
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I do hope you realize that I have already signed on to be satan's girlfriend. I get the good room. I'll invite you over for drinks sometimes, though. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

04-21-2009, 06:42 PM	#8
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Yes well, as the first lady of hell, you wont get as much time to party as we will, having less responsibility and all you know. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

04-21-2009, 06:27 PM	#5
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Look me up when you get there.

04-21-2009, 06:43 PM	#9
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	He is one demanding devil! Sigh, such is my lot in life, um, I mean death. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

04-22-2009, 09:11 AM	#10
Queen of the Ryche is fleeing the scene Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Beautiful CO Posts: 1,510	Sorry Dana, not meant as an insult. You and Sugar and Henry and Whip are obviously way more well read than I. All I was trying to say to Henry is BACK THE F OFF. The point of the post was to discuss what YOUR OWN PERSONAL concept of freedom is; not to belittle everyone else's as he has done. I was just sooooo tired of him shouting in incomplete sentneces from his soapbox about how right he is. I felt the need to speak up, no matter how DENSE he might think I am. Why am I in this handbasket, and why is it so hot? __________________ Once, in an interview, Chuck Norris admitted that he was not the most awesome thing ever. He declined to elaborate; but I believe we all know that he was referring to the existence of chocolate covered bacon. I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.

04-22-2009, 02:10 PM	#12
Queen of the Ryche is fleeing the scene Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Beautiful CO Posts: 1,510	Thank you Bruce. My opinion of your opinion of Henry's opinion of my opinion is that I like your opinion. K great Dana. You are an extremely bright woman. I think I used to be, but real life has burned away the educated section of brain cells. It's all been reduced to practicality. __________________ Once, in an interview, Chuck Norris admitted that he was not the most awesome thing ever. He declined to elaborate; but I believe we all know that he was referring to the existence of chocolate covered bacon. I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.

04-23-2009, 10:26 AM	#14
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"You will not change my opinion of you sir, no matter how hard you try. I still see you as a bitter Academic with a sad sour view of the world and those around you. That is all." you misunderstand, queenie: i don't give a flip of your opinion about 'me'...i'm simply defending what i posted (my words and the meanings of those words) against misinterpretation think of 'me' whatever you like --- "i think , what you post is so fucking stupid" and i, dear whip, think you're a fucking idiot: pedestrian, unoriginal, boring ----- "All I was trying to say to Henry is BACK THE F OFF" if you, queenie, can comment 'freely' about my posts and -- in the process -- characterize me as 'a bitter Academic' (which as far as i can see, has no relevance at all to the substance of my posts in this thread), then i can continue to post what i like, as i like, till a mod takes away the privilege it seems what's good for the goose is indeed good for the gander... ----- "I was just sooooo tired of him shouting in incomplete sentneces from his soapbox about how right he is." but queenie: the whole point of philosophy (which is what this sub-forum is all about) is the on-going debate of ideas...this is not the 'nothingland', this is 'philosophy' my 'shouting' in this thread, within this forum, is what happens when ideas are debated seems to me: if you want to 'play nice', 'be nice', there are plenty of other sub-forums and threads to meander 'round in you'll note: i'm mostly confined to a handful of threads, a smattering of sub-forums...mainly, because so many others (many where you are quite prominent, i must add) are useless ego strokes and vehicles for virtual and public flirtations do i walk through, stick my nose in, and comment about how vapid you are there and there and there? no: i do not i leave you to your idiocies and feel no compulsion to 'attention seek' at your expense you, however, haven't addressed anything i've written in this thread other than to essentially say, 'henry makes me 'feel bad'! now: i can't stop you or anyone from doing that...but, then: you can't stop me either...you can't stop me from being, as you say, bitter and angry, and you can't stop me from carrying on an act of philosophical debate with anyone who cares to engage me (and when is someone gonna do that? there's lots of poo-pooing, but no real attempts at refutation) ----- "in the Cellar you have "freedom" to post your crap" a 'freedom' given to you, bruce, by another (the owner and mods allowing your membership, allowing you to post without editing) is not a 'freedom' in the sense of being 'free' of anything it's privilege: pure and simple as for my 'crap': the owner/mods can pull the plug on me any time...not a dammed thing i can do about it that i'm still here says a lot about the owner/mods tolerance for different views, or, perhaps it says something for the owner/mods AGREEING with me hmmm... regardless of owner/mods motivation(s): i'm here, you're here, we're all HERE only because the guy/gal with the power allows it...this is not 'freedom', this -- again -- is privilege to be redundant (HA!): if you rely on another to provide or secure a 'right' or 'freedom' for you then you have no 'right' or 'freedom' only a privilege the owner/mods give; the owner/ mods taketh away... __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

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