Deja Vue. Another defeat.

[tw]

As usual, extremists post insults. And now lie about what tw has said. But that is what Nazis also did to gain power and commit genocide.

The scumbag (that Nazis, KKK, and White Supremacists love) decided to withdrawal 150 American troops so that Turkey can occupy northern Syria. Leaders know how to manipulate The Don. They praise his ego. Then Erdoğan told The Donald that he would repopulate N Syria with Syrian refugees in his country. So Americans can leave.

Without consulting even one informed American, The Don then created another massive American defeat.

Obvious was Erdoğan's strategy. He regards all Kurds as terrorists - evil like Daesh. As soon as a few hundreds Americans left, he attacked the Kurds everywhere. Cutting off Kurd main supply highways across Kurd protected regions in Syria.

He then 'accidentally' fired artillery shells about 100 meters from a known American base. So that 1000 more American soldiers (working with the Kurds) would leave immediately. Would abandon their Kurdish allies.

The Don is so dumb to even give Putin but another victory. Russian reputation for being a trusted ally in the Middle East has massively increased in the past three years. The Kurds need protection. The Kurds (like all other close American allies) now know Americans are scumbags who promise protection and then run away. Our wacko extremists here love that behavior. That is the new American reputation - approved by the Cellar wackos.

Kurds went to people who would keep their promises - the Russians. Syrian troops are now moving in on the Kurds. Only protection left for the Kurds - once a closest American ally - were clearly stabbed in the back by an American egotist and his wacko extremists supporters in the Cellar. (People who insult to avoid admitting to a another massive American defeat.) Trump has created another massive American defeat (similar to what Cheney, et al did in Afghanistan and in the Mission Accomplished war).

Wacko extremists in The Cellar praise The Don for also releasing some 11,000 ISIS soldiers and allies. Daesh terrorist attacks are ongoing. Extremist here say that is also good.

Of the so many interests active in Syria, only American allies are the losers. As Americans pull out, Russians and their allies move in to fill another American created vacuum. The Don (and his wacko extremist supporters in The Cellar) apparently love it when America is defeated. And then, like good right wing extremists, spin it into a victory. They are so extremists as to believe this massive American defeat is good. It is so easy to brainwash extremists.

[henry quirk]

"How dare he actually deliver on his promise not to have anymore of our precious warriors shipped home in boxes after getting killed on battlefields we can’t even pronounce, while refereeing conflicts that began long before America was a thing, in campaigns without any kind of coherent objective?"

impeach 'em

[tw]

How fast did Americans surrender and run from Syria? Russians now report abandoned American based with tents still standing, refrigerators still stocked with food, and some plates with half eaten meals.

That is how quickly this president ordered American soldiers to abandon the Kurds and run away.

Russian soldiers are tweeting pictures of themselves in abandoned American tents where the Americans ran away only hours earlier. 40% of Americans still approve of the scumbag president - whose only purpose is to entertain his ego and enrich himself.

He even told Kim that it is OK to develop missiles that can attack S Korean and Japanese cities. When Japan's Prime Minister Abe confronted The Don with this American surrender, The Don dismissed him as irrelevant. Nice way to treat (mock, insult) a closest American ally. Since The Donald likes dictators like Kim, Xi, and Putin. They inflate his ego.

[Griff]

This was addressed in the debate last night. Tulsi was more for just getting out because these regime change wars are and have been a poorly conceived nightmare. Mayor Pete was more nuanced, he recognized that the origins of these wars is dubious but our abandonment of allies is utterly destructive of America's place in the world and pretty horrifying on the ground. So yeah, we need to get out but let's not make the world much worse place by doing it badly.

[Undertoad]

Middle East is first and foremost a problem that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Israel, and the Gulf States should be addressing. They - not the US - should have defined what is necessary and implement resulting plans. Otherwise we have another reduction in US living standards because extremists again want America to be the world's policemen.

i just happened to be watching the television just now and orange man echoed these points exactly

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

i just happened to be watching the television just now and orange man echoed these points exactly

Never forget why we are so fully involved. Liars. Liars said Saddam had WMDs. So we surrendered Afghanistan to the Taliban. Then wasted $3 trillion and 5000 American servicemen lives on that Mission Accomplished lie. So many American civilians failed to learn what were obvious lies. And so endorsed the resulting massacre.

Simply return to 2003 to read posts warning of this both before and after 'Shock and Awe' - which BTW did nothing. We have no choice. We decided to waste the American economy on lies promoted by wacko extremists. And are today still paying to China massive sums on the interest for all that borrowed money.

Simply go back to 2003 to read quotes of what Cheney said. "Deficits don't matter." He forgot to mention that American servicemen also do not matter.

Deja Vue Vietnam. We did the same thing there. And eventually surrendered to N Vietnam. We now see Americans surrendering to everyone else in Syria. While granting success after success to the Russians and The Don's good friend Putin. A another example of why extremists (using their political biases) create disasters. And why we desperately need leaders who are patriots - also called moderates.

Yesterday, Trump was having a meltdown that even embarrassed Republicans were critical of. He called the Kurds evil and communists. He said they were never an ally. His insulted Pelois and other Democrats with insults that need not be quoted due to his flagrant vulgarity (as if grabbing any women's groin is acceptable behavior - he said so).

Even the extremist John Bolton is openly criticizing this corrupt administration.

Meanwhile, Trump will hold the next G-7 meeting at his resort. He says it will be done at cost. And calls it all acceptable behavior - as any mafia Don would do. That 'at cost' includes his personal profits. And more profits when he does what he has always done. Withhold payments from contractors.

Russian soldiers are tweeting pictures of The Don's victory. Showing American bases, fully stocked even with food, abandoned only hours earlier by a defeated American Army. Defeated by a mental instability that is so common with wacko extremists and egotists.

Last Wednesday, The Don sent a letter to Erdoğan scolding him in no uncertain terms to not massacre Kurds. And threatening to destroy the Turk economy if they did anything that Trump does not want. Erdoğan simply threw it in the trash can and ordered, within hours, the invasion of Kurdish protected lands in Syria. He knows a scumbag is all bluff and insults - a massive ego - and no balls. But that is the man that right wing extremists (KKK, White Supremacists, Nazis) love. They (and similar ones here) say all this is good.

Just like it was good to massacre 5000 American servicemen in Mission Accomplished for no purpose.

That is why we are and now must be there. The warnings that said why were posted back in 2003.

BTW, same deniers also poo-pooed warnings about the Sprately and Parcel Islands. The Don is even insulting and undermining American allies in that region. Because his best friend is the N Korean dictator Kim. His ego is more important than making America great. By insulting people and lying every day, he is loved by right wing wacko extremists.

How many more American surrenders can be expect this year. Now that The Don is sounding more like Nixon in his last six months.

[sexobon]

The Donald is channeling tw.

[tw]

The Don wants to invite Putin to the G-7. All others forced Russia out due to so many corrupt and despicable activities such as the invasion of Ukraine. No problem. This scumbag president even tried to sell Ukraine to the Russians. Endorses Russia providing Kim the missile technology to attack S Korean and Japanese cities. Even ordered the Ukrainian president to such up to his good friend Putin. And has made Russia the strongest power broker in the Middle East.

Turkey was once a strongest American ally. 90% of Turks had highest praise for America. George Jr massively hurt that approval. The scumbag has now ordered American troops to surrender. So Erdoğan will visit the world's leader. He will visit Putin next week. He knows who has intelligent leaders.

Why does the Don want the G-7 in his resort? Well, he promised to remove himself from all those properties if elected president. He lied (of course because that make one popular with extremists). That Trump Doral resort (typical of a Trump run corporation) is having financial problems. No problem. He will force the government to increase his business and profits. Since according to The Don (who is only loved by wacko extremist and the most corrupt), that is completely acceptable and ethical behavior (it never was - but wacko extremists now define this new America in their own image).

White House said they reviewed all resorts. Claim only Trump Doral has facilities necessary to support a G-7 meeting - which will become a G-8 so that Trump can welcome Putin to thank him for helping the mafioso boss get elected and then reelected.

Extremist are obvious in this thread They don't criticize a president who has clearly made Nixon into "not a crook".

The scumbag may try to edit this using a sharpie.

[sexobon]

Sour grapes 'cause the Donald didn't put you on his list … no Trump Doral for you.

[tw]

Originally Posted by sexobon

Sour grapes 'cause the Donald didn't put you on his list … no Trump Doral for you.

Anti-Americans discuss (make decisions from) emotions. Patriots instead learn and discuss facts (such as an enthralled an ego to backstab the Kurds). Instead we should eat cake? No grapes.

Pretty pictures drawn with Sharpies prove everything is good. And that the Kurds really were not allies.

Why would anyone go to a resort that screws contractors and loses money only to enrich The Don? Because that is what good mafioso do - to impress his best friend Putin.

[sexobon]

The Kurds felt the same way when Obama pulled us out of Iraq. They're used to it and have contingency plans for when the US picks-up and leaves.

[henry quirk]

They weren't allies: they were dependents. We were babysittin' 'em (as we probably will again).

Really, how long have we been trainin' 'em? And what were we trainin' 'em for (if not to stand on their own)?

What's irksome: if President [insert tw's favorite] had withdrawn in exactly the same way, tw would have nuthin' but praise to offer.

Hypocrite.

[tw]

Originally Posted by sexobon

The Kurds felt the same way when Obama pulled us out of Iraq. They're used to it and have contingency plans for when the US picks-up and leaves.

Well that answer says nothing. And completely ignores relevant and different details in each case.

We know the Kurds were a strong American ally. Nobody - except Donald Trump brainwashed disciples - denies that. The American / Kurd alliance remained one of the strongest and most effective against Daesh.

Even Turkey provided tactical support and freedoms to Isis. That was restricted when Americans got involved using NATO alliance principles that also kept Turkey from attacking the Kurds.

But again, we have a perfect example of who is a wacko Trump supporting extremist. The scumbag Don yesterday even tweeted Kurds as never safer. Another example of why soundbytes and 140 character declarations are akin to a lie. We will see extremist here, while posting more insults, agree with that tweeted lie. After all, it must be true because he - like the scumbag president - uses insults to prove it as true.

[henry quirk]

If they're so strong: what did they/do they bring to the table (aside from warm bodies)?

We train them (forever), arm them, direct them, take care of them.

Again: they were our charges (and, no doubt, they will be again).

[sexobon]

The Kurds ally themselves with whomever best suits their agenda at the time. We do the same. We've repeatedly dumped the Kurds; but, they always come back to us when our objectives overlap. Why buy the cow (all of their agenda) when we're getting the milk (our objectives) for free. It's time to cut them loose again to see if what they do is worthy of any future alliance. If they haven't learned how to police their own without us, we should be looking for new partners rather than pouring our resources into that bottomless pit.