Arguments: men vs. women - Page 2

Whit · 01-12-2004, 09:59 AM

      Ya know, I think this example sucks. Who the hell is this guy? How freakin' obviously insecure is all that? "I feel every man is looking at you?" He should be thinking, "Your damn right, and she's with me." Complete with smug look.
      Plus, since when do men have all these ulterior motives? As a guy, I've always believed that was just female paranoid delusion. Now you're saying it's legit? Ok, granted, there may be some men that think that hard, but most of us just say what's passing through our heads. Let women do all that double-meaning hidden-why crap. I'd rather play a video game or watch a cartoon.
      Basically this all comes back to my original theory of all male-female relations: men are stupid, women are insane.

warch · 01-12-2004, 10:17 AM

Sometimes its good exercise to think harder.

OnyxCougar · 01-12-2004, 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by Undertoad
OK, I'll try

"You're not going anywhere in those pants. When you wear trashy clothes like that it revs me up like nothin' else. So off with 'em, and I'm jumping your bones right here and now."

Howzat?

Works for me. Every time.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-12-2004, 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by staceyv
to all guys: you could prevent the argument in the first place if you just took the time to think through what you were going to say, and say it in a non-offensive manner. there are two ways to say everything. your first try which was basically telling her that she looked trashy and her pants were too tight was AWFUL. the second try, where you said that you didn't want her wearing the pants because they look too good on her and men stare was really good- it was a compliment to her. it's all about HOW you ask for it, not what you're asking for. you could get any message in the world across to her without creating an argument if you just worded it right.

Well duh, those are two completely different statements and two completely different meanings. They are NOT a right and wrong way to say the same thing.

headsplice · 01-12-2004, 06:06 PM

Sometimes I wonder why it is that I don't have a girlfriend, and sometimes not so much.
Riddill: SteveDallas has it exactly right. If you're (not you specifically, but anyone, including women) going to open your mouth about the way your partner looks, you'd best have mustard flavored toenail polish on.
Whit and UT: HAHA! I love the Cellar, it makes my cloudy days sunnier.

ladysycamore · 01-12-2004, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Well duh, those are two completely different statements and two completely different meanings. They are NOT a right and wrong way to say the same thing.

Hrm...maybe not to you. However, I've always been a believer in the way words are presented as well as the tone is which they are spoken.

As far as the example goes, I would venture to guess that the "trash" aspect of the pants was in the eye of the beholder. If I looked in the mirror, and didn't see that the pants were "trashy", and he thought that they were, then we'd have a problem, because I wouldn't change the pants (especially if at the time, those were the only pants that I had to wear that were clean...hey sometimes laundry just ain't done in time for some things...).

And lastly, Goddamn, I can't stand a jealous man!!!

xoxoxoBruce · 01-12-2004, 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by ladysycamore

Hrm...maybe not to you. However, I've always been a believer in the way words are presented as well as the tone is which they are spoken.......snip

Of course, Rho. There are always umpteen degrees of diplomacy that can be applied to any statement you want to make, depending on how lightly you want to tread. BUT, the two sentences given are not two ways to say the same thing. They are completely different thoughts.

ladysycamore · 01-12-2004, 07:03 PM

I guess I was thinking that the first thought was what the guy wanted to say, and that the second was what he "should" have said, so I suppose I thought the two were the same...in that way.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-12-2004, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by warch
Sometimes its good exercise to think harder.

It's never good to obfuscate.

OnyxCougar · 01-13-2004, 09:18 AM

Eschew Obfuscation!

Whit · 01-13-2004, 02:30 PM

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From Headsplice:
Whit and UT: HAHA! I love the Cellar, it makes my cloudy days sunnier.

      Actually, I prefer cloudy days. Direct sunlight hurts my eyes.

01-12-2004, 09:59 AM	#16
Whit Umm ... yeah. Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 949	Ya know, I think this example sucks. Who the hell is this guy? How freakin' obviously insecure is all that? "I feel every man is looking at you?" He should be thinking, "Your damn right, and she's with me." Complete with smug look.       Plus, since when do men have all these ulterior motives? As a guy, I've always believed that was just female paranoid delusion. Now you're saying it's legit? Ok, granted, there may be some men that think that hard, but most of us just say what's passing through our heads. Let women do all that double-meaning hidden-why crap. I'd rather play a video game or watch a cartoon.       Basically this all comes back to my original theory of all male-female relations: men are stupid, women are insane. __________________ A friend will help you move. A true friend will help you move a body.

01-12-2004, 06:06 PM	#20
headsplice Relaxed Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 676	Sometimes I wonder why it is that I don't have a girlfriend, and sometimes not so much. Riddill: SteveDallas has it exactly right. If you're (not you specifically, but anyone, including women) going to open your mouth about the way your partner looks, you'd best have mustard flavored toenail polish on. Whit and UT: HAHA! I love the Cellar, it makes my cloudy days sunnier. __________________ Don't Panic

01-12-2004, 07:03 PM	#23
ladysycamore "I may not always be perfect, but I'm always me." Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In Sycamore's boxers Posts: 1,341	I guess I was thinking that the first thought was what the guy wanted to say, and that the second was what he "should" have said, so I suppose I thought the two were the same...in that way. __________________ "Freedom is not given. It is our right at birth. But there are some moments when it must be taken." ~Tagline from the movie "Amistad"~ "The Akan concept of Sankofa: In order to move forward we first have to take a step back. In other words, before we can be prepared for the future, we must comprehend the past." From "We Did It, They Hid It"

01-12-2004, 10:17 AM	#17
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Sometimes its good exercise to think harder.

01-13-2004, 09:18 AM	#25
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	Eschew Obfuscation!

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