Election Staff Convicted in Recount Rig

yesman065 · 01-24-2007, 04:52 PM

Well it only took 3 years, but the truth is out.

ElectionWorkersTrial

"CLEVELAND — Two election workers were convicted Wednesday of rigging a recount of the 2004 presidential election to avoid a more thorough review in Ohio's most populous county.

Jacqueline Maiden, elections coordinator of the Cuyahoga County Elections Board, and ballot manager Kathleen Dreamer each were convicted of a felony count of negligent misconduct of an elections employee. They also were convicted of one misdemeanor count each of failure of elections employees to perform their duty.

Prosecutors accused Maiden and Dreamer of secretly reviewing preselected ballots before a public recount on Dec. 16, 2004. They worked behind closed doors for three days to pick ballots they knew would not cause discrepancies when checked by hand, prosecutors said.

Defense attorney Roger Synenberg has said the workers were following procedures as they understood them.

Ohio gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Sen. John Kerry in the close election and hold on to the White House in 2004.

Special prosecutor Kevin Baxter did not claim the workers' actions affected the outcome of the election _ Kerry gained 17 votes and Bush lost six in the county's recount."

Happy Monkey · 01-24-2007, 05:15 PM

That's good. I saw the HBO documentary, and (if it's the same people) their actions were patently illegal.

yesman065 · 01-24-2007, 05:21 PM

This is great news to me. One bad part is "Maiden and Dreamer still work for the elections board. Their sentences will only be a max of six to 18 months. Thats way too slight a penalty, in my opinion.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-25-2007, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by yesman065

This is great news to me. One bad part is "Maiden and Dreamer still work for the elections board. Their sentences will only be a max of six to 18 months. Thats way too slight a penalty, in my opinion.

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snip~ each were convicted of a felony count ~snip

How can they still work for the Election Board when they can't vote?

yesman065 · 01-25-2007, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

How can they still work for the Election Board when they can't vote?

I am asking the same question?

Happy Monkey · 01-24-2007, 05:47 PM

Agreed.

Ronald Cherrycoke · 01-24-2007, 09:58 PM

Ohio gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Sen. John Kerry in the close election and hold on to the White House in 2004.

Special prosecutor Kevin Baxter did not claim the workers' actions affected the outcome of the election _ Kerry gained 17 votes and Bush lost six in the county's recount.

WOW!

yesman065 · 01-25-2007, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronald Cherrycoke

Kerry gained 17 votes and Bush lost six in the county's recount.[/b]

WOW!

A whole (a-hole) 23 vote turn - outta how many total

??

xoxoxoBruce · 01-25-2007, 10:40 AM

Electoral votes = 538
BUT that 23 votes was in one of 3,140 counties. Do you really think that was the only crooked county?

Ronald Cherrycoke · 01-25-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Electoral votes = 538
BUT that 23 votes was in one of 3,140 counties. Do you really think that was the only crooked county?

These things happen in every election...does it mean it is widespread and systematic....nope!

xoxoxoBruce · 01-26-2007, 07:50 AM

These things happen in every election...does it mean it isn't widespread and systematic....nope! :p
But the point is not the mistakes that are inevitable, it's the manipulating of the system to "guide" the outcome to a predetermined conclusion.
Election workers actively working to prevent an accurate count or recount, should be shot. No question..... shot, as in capital punishment. There is no greater crime against the people than corrupting the election process.

Happy Monkey · 01-25-2007, 11:18 AM

And the entire purpose of their crime was to prevent recounts in all of the other counties.

Elspode · 01-25-2007, 11:21 AM

Isn't this where Flint pipes up something about Ohio courts hating freedom or something like that?

yesman065 · 01-25-2007, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

And the entire purpose of their crime was to prevent recounts in all of the other counties.

Were there recounts in other counties HM?

Pie · 01-25-2007, 12:06 PM

I lived in Ohio. They do.

(Okay, maybe they just suck.)

01-24-2007, 04:52 PM	#1
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	Election Staff Convicted in Recount Rig Well it only took 3 years, but the truth is out. ElectionWorkersTrial "CLEVELAND — Two election workers were convicted Wednesday of rigging a recount of the 2004 presidential election to avoid a more thorough review in Ohio's most populous county. Jacqueline Maiden, elections coordinator of the Cuyahoga County Elections Board, and ballot manager Kathleen Dreamer each were convicted of a felony count of negligent misconduct of an elections employee. They also were convicted of one misdemeanor count each of failure of elections employees to perform their duty. Prosecutors accused Maiden and Dreamer of secretly reviewing preselected ballots before a public recount on Dec. 16, 2004. They worked behind closed doors for three days to pick ballots they knew would not cause discrepancies when checked by hand, prosecutors said. Defense attorney Roger Synenberg has said the workers were following procedures as they understood them. Ohio gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Sen. John Kerry in the close election and hold on to the White House in 2004. Special prosecutor Kevin Baxter did not claim the workers' actions affected the outcome of the election _ Kerry gained 17 votes and Bush lost six in the county's recount."

01-24-2007, 05:15 PM	#2
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	That's good. I saw the HBO documentary, and (if it's the same people) their actions were patently illegal. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-24-2007, 05:47 PM	#6
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Agreed. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-25-2007, 10:40 AM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Electoral votes = 538 BUT that 23 votes was in one of 3,140 counties. Do you really think that was the only crooked county? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-26-2007, 07:50 AM	#11
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	These things happen in every election...does it mean it isn't widespread and systematic....nope! :p But the point is not the mistakes that are inevitable, it's the manipulating of the system to "guide" the outcome to a predetermined conclusion. Election workers actively working to prevent an accurate count or recount, should be shot. No question..... shot, as in capital punishment. There is no greater crime against the people than corrupting the election process. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-24-2007, 05:21 PM	#3
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	This is great news to me. One bad part is "Maiden and Dreamer still work for the elections board. Their sentences will only be a max of six to 18 months. Thats way too slight a penalty, in my opinion.

01-24-2007, 09:58 PM	#7
Ronald Cherrycoke Master Locutor Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 153	Ohio gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Sen. John Kerry in the close election and hold on to the White House in 2004. Special prosecutor Kevin Baxter did not claim the workers' actions affected the outcome of the election _ Kerry gained 17 votes and Bush lost six in the county's recount. WOW!

01-25-2007, 11:18 AM	#12
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	And the entire purpose of their crime was to prevent recounts in all of the other counties. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-25-2007, 11:21 AM	#13
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Isn't this where Flint pipes up something about Ohio courts hating freedom or something like that? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

01-25-2007, 12:06 PM	#15
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	I lived in Ohio. They do. (Okay, maybe they just suck.) __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

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