ACORN

[TheMercenary]

What the hell were these people thinking. Do they not realize how bad this makes the process look? I wonder how many people were actually registered as Republickins and how many were registered as Demoncrats. And people think that there was fraud when Bush was elected. If Obama gets the nod people are going to make the issues with Bush look like child play.

1 VOTER, 72 REGISTRATIONS
'ACORN PAID ME IN CASH & CIGS'

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008...ons_132965.htm

Missouri officials suspect fake voter registration

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/...ge/voter_fraud

The State Auditor's Office conducted an audit of the voter registration system at the Secretary of State's Office last November.

Auditors identified 49,049 registered voters state-wide who may have been ineligible to vote. Approximately 23,576 may have been deceased and another 23,114 were possible felons. And they found more than 2,359 duplicate records.

http://www.click2houston.com/investi...75/detail.html

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

1 VOTER, 72 REGISTRATIONS
'ACORN PAID ME IN CASH & CIGS'

How does ACORN register anyone. All they can do is provide a voter registration card and maybe deliver the completed card to the voter registration board. Only the citizen and voter registration board can register that citizen. Or does it work differently in some states?

You fill out the form, sign it, and mail it (or have it delivered) to the voter registration board. That board either registers you to vote or rejects you. How does ACORN get involved other than give you a blank form and beg you to fill it out?

[TheMercenary]

And then ACORN submits the form for you. Walla, you are registered. There are registration drives all over the country. The Dems are targeting rock concerts a lot lately. We had a community music fest that lasted 4 days. They were at every event.

[lookout123]

ACORN is a dirty nasty organization that I've personally had the displeasure of dealing with. They took Jesse Jackson's business model to the next level.

[ZenGum]

Is ACORN handing out enrollment forms at rock concerts any different (ethically) from the behavior of that Southern Christian college (I forget then name) which we discussed elsewhere, of doing everything they could to get their students voting?

Seriously folks, I'm just asking for information, or at least informed opinion. What rules are being broken, how, and by whom?

Down Under, enrollment is compulsory and the Australian Electoral Commission has frequent media campaigns (especially before elections) to encourage people to sign up. They have info at most government offices and do other outreach stuff. It is completely non-partisan.
I think the left-er of our two main parties does sometimes have enrollment encouragement drives since younger voters tend to be left. It's not a big thing. Don't think handing out cigarettes would work too well for their image, though.

[TheMercenary]

I think when you sign up the same guy 72 times and use different names and pay him to sign up, that might be a problem. I could be wrong but.....

[lookout123]

My personal experience involves them contacting a company I worked for and demanding a shakedown check, "to help minority homeowners". The company refused.

-Their people contacting mortgage holders with hispanic last names and telling them if they'll go to court and say they didn't know english when they signed loan docs, they might not have to repay their loans.

-Their people paraded in front of our buildings wearing shark costumes

-They worked with the press and named individual loan officers and lied about the events.

-They prepped clients who were perfectly fluent in english to go into court and say only, "no habla".

-Then when the company finally handed over more than $200,000,000 to make the press stop, very little of it went to our actual former clients

Then they moved on to the next company. I'd like to see anyone associated with that organization die a very slow and painful death.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I think when you sign up the same guy 72 times and use different names and pay him to sign up, that might be a problem. I could be wrong but.....

If you sign up the same guy 72 times, the same voter registration board registers him to vote only once. Where is the problem? Apparently the guy is making money off Acorn by sending in the same form 72 times. No problem. In November, he can still only vote once.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

If you sign up the same guy 72 times, the same voter registration board registers him to vote only once. Where is the problem? Apparently the guy is making money off Acorn by sending in the same form 72 times. No problem. In November, he can still only vote once.

According to the news reports they are not using the same name or address, they are changing the names and or address each time. What they have effectively done is placed the Sec of State to have to verify a flood of names. I think they should withhold all election results til after the names have been verified after the polls close. It may take a few weeks (again) to find out who won, but it would eliminate this fraud.

[richlevy]

The problem with the 'possible felon' designation is that the Florida experience showed that this was fraught with error. It appears that if someone with your name was in prison in that state, they can challenge your vote and the onus is on you to prove that you were never a felon.

I don't want fraudulent votes, but I don't want fraudulent challenges either, and a part of me wonders if the anti-fraud campaign is a method for lowering legitimate turnout and pushing up wait times at the polls to discourage voting.

While arguments can be made for tactics like caging, more arguments can be made against it. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention giving up your right to vote because you weren't home to sign for a letter.

I agree that there will be a lot of challenges in this election. Thankfully after the disastrous results from the last two elections (and for once I'm not referring to who was elected), we came up with a clear procedure for provisional ballots. Forcing people in poor districts to wait for hours in line to vote as opposed to wealthier districts is in my opinion a violation of the equal protection clause.

There is a significant chance that provisional and absentee ballots will decide this election.

FYI, Tim Griffin, the GOP's current Deputy Head of Research was tied to voter caging by Monica Goodling during her testimony.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by richlevy

a part of me wonders if the anti-fraud campaign is a method for lowering legitimate turnout and pushing up wait times at the polls to discourage voting.

It's interesting being in a battleground state. Never happened for me before. The Obama volunteers are extremely active. They have called us at least a dozen times in the last few months. Our Democratic "neighborhood chiefs" sent us a letter recently urging us to vote early in order to help reduce wait times at the polls for others on election day. That had never occurred to me, but it's a great idea. Virginia has very lenient standards for early voting. The fact that I work in DC, and am out of my county for more than 11 hours of the day means that I'm eligible to vote early. I just voted today, which was way more convenient for me. Took 20 minutes and was on a Saturday. Plus I can also impact the election by lowering wait times slightly for others

I think one of the reasons that my household has been targeted so heavily is that we voted in a Democrat school board primary a couple months ago. Only 5% of the county voted in that election.

[TheMercenary]

I didn't know that they were that diverse in thier illegal acitons. Sounds just like PUSH and Jessie Jackson.

[Shawnee123]

Good point, tw.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Good point, tw.

However I made the same point in yesterday's post #2. Why does this post say anything different?

[Shawnee123]

My job precludes me reading every single post and hanging on to every word. You egocentric goof. Mostly, I felt this last post was more succinct and got right to the point.