Israeli naval commandos stormed a flotilla of ships

GunMaster357 · 05-31-2010, 10:41 AM

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JERUSALEM — Israeli naval commandos stormed a flotilla of ships carrying aid and hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists to the blockaded Gaza Strip on Monday, killing nine passengers in a botched raid that provoked international outrage and a diplomatic crisis. Dozens of activists and six Israeli soldiers were wounded in the bloody predawn confrontation in international waters. The violent takeover dealt yet another blow to Israel's international image, already tarnished by war crimes accusations in Gaza and its 3-year-old blockade of the impoverished Palestinian territory.

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I think the shit has just hit the fan.

Right now, estimations run from 10 to 20 killed and many wounded.

richlevy · 05-31-2010, 11:03 AM

You might hear references to the Altalena Affair in this discussion. This was an altercation between Jewish insurgents and the Jewish army before Israel independence.

Also there is the Karine_A_Affair which was 2002 and involved 30 tons of weapons bound for Palestine.

I'm curious if weapons will be found on board the ships.

Still, it was a stupid move. The loss of support will probably outweigh the short term tactical advantage even if weapons are found. Taking the ship in international waters could be construed to be an act of piracy. If Israel wanted to create a blockade, they should have declared one and intercepted the ship along their coast.

Undertoad · 05-31-2010, 04:46 PM

Botched to say the least: sending soldiers with paintball guns into an angry mob, as an opening move.

GunMaster357 · 06-01-2010, 02:03 AM

As I said in another thread, politicians react, they don't act.

I'm beginnig to think that to get elected, you have to be as empty headed as a blonde.

And comparing a politician to a blonde might be construed as an insult for blondes.

TheMercenary · 06-01-2010, 12:37 PM

I wonder if they were in international waters or waters where they claim they are territorial, most countries have a difference and even those boundries are disputed by adversaries.

classicman · 06-01-2010, 12:49 PM

Everything I've seen says international. Bad move on a number of levels - IMO.

TheMercenary · 06-01-2010, 12:58 PM

If they have found supposed ships in the past that were suppose to carrying "humanitarian aid" and was found to be full of weapons I think I would stop every ship too.

classicman · 06-01-2010, 01:34 PM

Thats your choice, but don't do it in international waters.

classicman · 06-01-2010, 01:35 PM

OH and I just read something about this group that has been found to be less than a charitable organization repeatedly in the past.

Bullitt · 06-01-2010, 02:37 PM

According to the BBC: "The UN Charter on the Law of the Sea says only if a vessel is suspected to be transporting weapons, or weapons of mass destruction, can it be boarded in international waters. Otherwise the permission of the ship's flag carrying nation must be sought."

Israel complains its soldiers were attacked, but what kind of welcome were they expecting exactly? Lei's and a BBQ?

jinx · 06-01-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy

I'm curious if weapons will be found on board the ships.

Reminded me of this Time article about the Arctic Sea hijacking.

classicman · 06-01-2010, 08:53 PM

No weapons - kids toys, and medical equipment so far.

Undertoad · 06-01-2010, 09:18 PM

Arab Media Reports on Flotilla Participants: Writing Wills, Preparing for Martyrdom, Determined to Reach Gaza or Die

TheMercenary · 06-02-2010, 08:57 AM

They went looking for a confrontation. They got one.

TheMercenary · 06-02-2010, 09:50 AM

Biased, but worth looking into:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...897667,00.html

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VIDEO - The ongoing interrogation of passengers who were aboard the Marmara – the Gaza aid flotilla's flagship – revealed that the majority of those who attacked the Israeli Naval Commandos boarding the ship have direct and indirect Global Jihad ties.

Israel's investigation has revealed some 100 people infiltrated the peace and humanitarian aid activists making their way to Gaza, with the explicit design to attack Israeli soldiers using cold arms.

Some among that group are believed to have ties with World Jihad groups, mainly al-Qaeda.

The majority of suspects are Turks, but some are Yemenites and Indonesian. One Yemenite Islamist was photographed with a dagger in his belt prior to the raid.

The suspects are not cooperating with investigators. Most of them have no identification papers, and Israeli authorities are still trying to ascertain their identity.

Nevertheless, it is clear that the majority were recruited by the same IHH handler who organized the flotilla.

05-31-2010, 11:03 AM	#2
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	You might hear references to the Altalena Affair in this discussion. This was an altercation between Jewish insurgents and the Jewish army before Israel independence. Also there is the Karine_A_Affair which was 2002 and involved 30 tons of weapons bound for Palestine. I'm curious if weapons will be found on board the ships. Still, it was a stupid move. The loss of support will probably outweigh the short term tactical advantage even if weapons are found. Taking the ship in international waters could be construed to be an act of piracy. If Israel wanted to create a blockade, they should have declared one and intercepted the ship along their coast. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

06-01-2010, 02:03 AM	#4
GunMaster357 Professor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Brest (FRANCE) Posts: 1,837	As I said in another thread, politicians react, they don't act. I'm beginnig to think that to get elected, you have to be as empty headed as a blonde. And comparing a politician to a blonde might be construed as an insult for blondes. __________________ "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." - Ambrose Bierce

06-01-2010, 12:49 PM	#6
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Everything I've seen says international. Bad move on a number of levels - IMO. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

06-01-2010, 01:34 PM	#8
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Thats your choice, but don't do it in international waters. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

06-01-2010, 01:35 PM	#9
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	OH and I just read something about this group that has been found to be less than a charitable organization repeatedly in the past. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

05-31-2010, 04:46 PM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Botched to say the least: sending soldiers with paintball guns into an angry mob, as an opening move.

06-01-2010, 12:37 PM	#5
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I wonder if they were in international waters or waters where they claim they are territorial, most countries have a difference and even those boundries are disputed by adversaries.

06-01-2010, 12:58 PM	#7
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	If they have found supposed ships in the past that were suppose to carrying "humanitarian aid" and was found to be full of weapons I think I would stop every ship too.

06-01-2010, 02:37 PM	#10
Bullitt This is a fully functional babe lair Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,324	According to the BBC: "The UN Charter on the Law of the Sea says only if a vessel is suspected to be transporting weapons, or weapons of mass destruction, can it be boarded in international waters. Otherwise the permission of the ship's flag carrying nation must be sought." Israel complains its soldiers were attacked, but what kind of welcome were they expecting exactly? Lei's and a BBQ? __________________ Kiss my white Irish ass.

06-01-2010, 08:53 PM	#12
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	No weapons - kids toys, and medical equipment so far. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

06-01-2010, 09:18 PM	#13
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Arab Media Reports on Flotilla Participants: Writing Wills, Preparing for Martyrdom, Determined to Reach Gaza or Die

06-02-2010, 08:57 AM	#14
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	They went looking for a confrontation. They got one.

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