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Old 12-04-2004, 11:40 AM   #1
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Divorce rates in the bible belt

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So ask yourself a simple question: which state has the highest divorce rate [ultra red Texas or ultra-blue Massachusetts]? Marriage was a key issue in the last election, with Massachusetts' gay marriages becoming a symbol of alleged blue state decadence and moral decay. But in actual fact, Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the country at 2.4 divorces per 1,000 inhabitants. Texas - which until recently made private gay sex a criminal offence - has a divorce rate of 4.1. A fluke? Not at all. The states with the highest divorce rates in the U.S. are Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Texas. And the states with the lowest divorce rates are: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont. Every single one of the high divorce rate states went for Bush. Every single one of the low divorce rate states went for Kerry. The Bible Belt divorce rate, in fact, is roughly 50 percent higher than the national average.
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Old 12-04-2004, 12:04 PM   #2
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Preserve the sanctity of the institution of marriage. Outlaw divorce.
Bumper sticker - They can have my marriage license when they pry it from my cold dead hands.
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Old 12-04-2004, 12:53 PM   #3
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That's not surprising--people surrounded by perceived immorality are the ones most vocal about wanting change. (Hell, the Taliban originally came into power because they took a strong stand against the raping of young boys.) I don't think the Value-Police types in Texas are worried about those debauched gays in Massachusetts as much as they're worried about those debauched gays next door to them.
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Old 12-04-2004, 02:39 PM   #4
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Preserve the sanctity of the institution of marriage. Outlaw divorce.
One would have to ask before drawing a final conclusion ... what are the rates of cohabitation without marriage in the lowest divorce rate states? And the rate of those relationships to end? I'm guessing that throwing in those numbers would even things out quite a lot.

Residents of southern states might be expected to be somewhat more "traditional" in terms of values and behaviors than the Northeastern states, and therefore marrying would be more likely than mere "shacking up."
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Old 12-04-2004, 03:49 PM   #5
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You mean, they actually went ahead and made a legal partnership and probably religious vows, and then broke up, as opposed to those naughty blue-staters who made no such pledge and then broke up?
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Old 12-04-2004, 04:34 PM   #6
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Its really not fair to compare marriage across geographical areas. There is a statistical anomoly present when folks generally marry their 14 year old cousins, there is going to be a higher divorce rate. It has nothing to do with values.
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Old 12-04-2004, 05:57 PM   #7
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when folks generally marry their 14 year old cousins, there is going to be a higher divorce rate. It has nothing to do with values.
I think that does have something to do with values.
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Old 12-04-2004, 08:12 PM   #8
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If a man has fourteen wives, and if one wife divorces him, then does that count as only one-half a divorce? Or do we say the man is only one-fourteenth divorced? These may be relevant questions when statistics are taken geographically.
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Old 12-04-2004, 08:36 PM   #9
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Lets see then, [new]7.14% of women get divorced but 100%[/math] of men do. So you're saying only lesbians should be allowed a state sanction?
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Old 12-04-2004, 08:40 PM   #10
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Seems to me fair enough that since a big distinction between Protestants (and, famously, Anglicans/Episcopalians) and Catholics is that only the last objects to divorce, and the Bible Belt is mostly Protestent, divorce rates should be high. They've got it, might as well flaunt it.
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Old 12-05-2004, 04:09 AM   #11
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One would have to ask before drawing a final conclusion ... what are the rates of cohabitation without marriage in the lowest divorce rate states? And the rate of those relationships to end? I'm guessing that throwing in those numbers would even things out quite a lot.

Residents of southern states might be expected to be somewhat more "traditional" in terms of values and behaviors than the Northeastern states, and therefore marrying would be more likely than mere "shacking up."
In the red states they cohabit before marriage......as brother and sister.
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Old 12-05-2004, 07:34 PM   #12
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Interesting point wolf, though I have to say that having been born in NC and lived there till I was 21, there was a fair amount of shacking up.

If we take the divorce rate of 2.4 / 1000 population in MA and 4.1 / 1000 population in TX that was given above we can calculate that the divorce rate in TX is 1.71 times that in MA.

According to the US Census web site, for the 2000 census, the # of unmarried-partner households (this includes m/f, m/m, and f/f) divided by the total state population is 0.0149 for TX and 0.0201 for MA. In this case the rate for MA is 1.35 times that in TX.

This is not very helpful because there is nothing about the rate at which such households "divorice."
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Old 12-05-2004, 07:40 PM   #13
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Anecdotal experience leads us to understand that when people who have been shacking up successfully for many years decide "oh, what the heck" and tie the knot, the relationship is pretty much over and the divorce attorneys will be doing all the communicating from here on in.
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Old 12-06-2004, 09:03 AM   #14
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Anecdotal experience leads us to understand that when people who have been shacking up successfully for many years decide "oh, what the heck" and tie the knot, the relationship is pretty much over and the divorce attorneys will be doing all the communicating from here on in.
Kinda like "if it ain't broke..."

I could have sworn that I also read that the abortion rate for said bible belters are higher than most also.

I'd have to look that one up...
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Old 12-06-2004, 04:50 PM   #15
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What do you expect, when even church leaders take a compromising position on their OWN book? When church leader induct gay priests? Hypocrisy at it's finest.
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