2/9/2005: Iced house

Undertoad · 02-09-2005, 02:37 PM

People in ice houses shouldn't throw salt, is what I always say. there have been a few shots of frozen cars that came along, but this one from axlrosen shows a few houses in Hull (MA) that got a similar freeze treatment.

Now the physics question of the day. Would this act as a good insulation? would it be an improvement over regular insulation? If you were iced in, who would you call? Or would you just stay inside?

Leah · 02-09-2005, 03:03 PM

That looks so cool or should I say unreal. I've never seen such a thing happen, mostly here in sunny Sydney (not so much today, it's raining).

glatt · 02-09-2005, 03:17 PM

I doubt it would be very good insulation. Snow is a decent insulator, but ice doesn't have the air pockets snow has.

That can't be good for the houses. Imagine when all that ice melts. Water will work its way in through every little crack in the sidings and shingles. Water stains are a minimum, and rot is a possibility if a lot of water gets into the walls.

It sure does look cool though. I wonder if that's a deck or a dock she is standing on? It looks like it could be a water-front home, and boats pull up to that gap in the railing.

garnet · 02-09-2005, 04:38 PM

Wow, it sure looks neat, like it belongs with Santa up at the North Pole. I'm certainly not envious of the person who lives there, though...

Elspode · 02-09-2005, 04:42 PM

I suddenly crave frosting...

Wombat · 02-09-2005, 06:42 PM

Adding an extra layer of any solid material will improve insulation. The problem is that in this case the solid material is really cold, so it will keep the house well insulated at a cold temperature. In other words, it will insulate the house from the warming effect from the sun.

Looks great though.

404Error · 02-09-2005, 08:15 PM

I agree with Glatt, it can't be very good for the house. The freezing water on the siding and roof shingles will expand and start tearing it all apart.

And I wonder how that person on the deck got out of the house in the first place.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-09-2005, 08:22 PM

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And I wonder how that person on the deck got out of the house in the first place.

Chop, chop.

There has been a lot of this happening this winter all across the northern climes. Even where it isn't waterfront, freezing fog has been the culprit.

capnhowdy · 02-09-2005, 08:25 PM

Imagine the weight related stress on the house.......
If the ice is three inches thick, the roof alone would weigh about 36000 lbs.
Not to mention the ice on the walls themselves.
Unless frozen water weighs less than the fluid. Even so........that's a lot of stress.
What an icehole!

xoxoxoBruce · 02-09-2005, 08:43 PM

As long as it's frozen it's semi-self supporting like an exoskeleton. If the bottom melts first it can bring the whole weight on the house.

zippyt · 02-09-2005, 09:21 PM

Now that would be an interesting experement , spray water on the roof of a structure in a freezing climit and see just how much weight it could take -v- spraying the whole structure , and if there truely was a difference . You could predict a weight , but to see just what type structure could take what kind of abuce would be interesting
Some truck scales are tested with a hydrolic press to see the working life and repatability , they call it the module masher , i have seen it , BIG damn rig !!! I will see if i can dig up a link .

Guess · 02-09-2005, 09:25 PM

whoa!! I used to live there! we never used to have anything of this sort!

zippyt · 02-09-2005, 09:55 PM

Ok this is a lousy small pic , i will see if i can find a better one and more info ,

magilla · 02-10-2005, 09:44 AM

Oh, for a little lime and a bottle of gin!

Wormfood · 02-10-2005, 11:59 AM

That houses windows must have very good insulation or
the heater is broken down... I have never seen windows frosted like that.

But it looks cool.

02-09-2005, 02:37 PM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	2/9/2005: Iced house People in ice houses shouldn't throw salt, is what I always say. there have been a few shots of frozen cars that came along, but this one from axlrosen shows a few houses in Hull (MA) that got a similar freeze treatment. Now the physics question of the day. Would this act as a good insulation? would it be an improvement over regular insulation? If you were iced in, who would you call? Or would you just stay inside?

02-09-2005, 04:42 PM	#5
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I suddenly crave frosting... __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

02-09-2005, 06:42 PM	#6
Wombat (marsupial with backward-facing pouch) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canberra Posts: 251	Adding an extra layer of any solid material will improve insulation. The problem is that in this case the solid material is really cold, so it will keep the house well insulated at a cold temperature. In other words, it will insulate the house from the warming effect from the sun. Looks great though. __________________ If you don't do it properly, you'll get to the pub sooner.

02-09-2005, 08:15 PM	#7
404Error Lecturer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: CT USA Posts: 826	I agree with Glatt, it can't be very good for the house. The freezing water on the siding and roof shingles will expand and start tearing it all apart. And I wonder how that person on the deck got out of the house in the first place. __________________ "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." ~George Mason~

02-09-2005, 08:25 PM	#9
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	Imagine the weight related stress on the house....... If the ice is three inches thick, the roof alone would weigh about 36000 lbs. Not to mention the ice on the walls themselves. Unless frozen water weighs less than the fluid. Even so........that's a lot of stress. What an icehole! __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

02-09-2005, 03:03 PM	#2
Leah Love my Heffalumps Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia (best place in the world) Posts: 346	That looks so cool or should I say unreal. I've never seen such a thing happen, mostly here in sunny Sydney (not so much today, it's raining).

02-09-2005, 03:17 PM	#3
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I doubt it would be very good insulation. Snow is a decent insulator, but ice doesn't have the air pockets snow has. That can't be good for the houses. Imagine when all that ice melts. Water will work its way in through every little crack in the sidings and shingles. Water stains are a minimum, and rot is a possibility if a lot of water gets into the walls. It sure does look cool though. I wonder if that's a deck or a dock she is standing on? It looks like it could be a water-front home, and boats pull up to that gap in the railing.

02-09-2005, 04:38 PM	#4
garnet ... Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 657	Wow, it sure looks neat, like it belongs with Santa up at the North Pole. I'm certainly not envious of the person who lives there, though...

02-09-2005, 08:43 PM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	As long as it's frozen it's semi-self supporting like an exoskeleton. If the bottom melts first it can bring the whole weight on the house. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-09-2005, 09:21 PM	#11
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	Now that would be an interesting experement , spray water on the roof of a structure in a freezing climit and see just how much weight it could take -v- spraying the whole structure , and if there truely was a difference . You could predict a weight , but to see just what type structure could take what kind of abuce would be interesting Some truck scales are tested with a hydrolic press to see the working life and repatability , they call it the module masher , i have seen it , BIG damn rig !!! I will see if i can dig up a link . __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

02-09-2005, 09:25 PM	#12
Guess What's my name? Guess Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 69	whoa!! I used to live there! we never used to have anything of this sort! __________________ "Earth laughs in flowers" ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

02-09-2005, 09:55 PM	#13
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	Ok this is a lousy small pic , i will see if i can find a better one and more info , Attached Images __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

02-10-2005, 09:44 AM	#14
magilla Belt Conveyor Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 67	Oh, for a little lime and a bottle of gin!

02-10-2005, 11:59 AM	#15
Wormfood Superior Inhabitant Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 73	That houses windows must have very good insulation or the heater is broken down... I have never seen windows frosted like that. But it looks cool.

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