Patriot Act: We are so F****D

richlevy · 11-07-2005, 07:36 PM

From here

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Bush administration officials compare national security letters to grand jury subpoenas, which are also based on "relevance" to an inquiry. There are differences. Grand juries tend to have a narrower focus because they investigate past conduct, not the speculative threat of unknown future attacks. Recipients of grand jury subpoenas are generally free to discuss the subpoenas publicly. And there are strict limits on sharing grand jury information with government agencies.

Data Banks

The burgeoning use of national security letters coincides with an unannounced decision to deposit all the information they yield into government data banks - and to share those private records widely, in the federal government and beyond. In late 2003, the Bush administration reversed a long-standing policy requiring agents to destroy their files on innocent American citizens, companies and residents when investigations closed. Late last month, President Bush signed Executive Order 13388, expanding access to those files for "state, local and tribal" governments and for "appropriate private sector entities," which are not defined.

There was another story, which I saw earlier today and can't find, about the use of Patriot Act provisions to investigate money laundering at a strip club. The article was from AP but appears to have disappeared.

I found another link to a different article on the strip club.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-07-2005, 08:34 PM

But Rich, they're only using these new rules to catch bad people doing bad things.
We honest, church going, law abiding taxpayers have nothing to fear from the government.

dar512 · 11-07-2005, 09:03 PM

Yeah, right. Actually, I fear this sort of thing more than most of the stuff this administration has come up with.

bargalunan · 11-08-2005, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

But Rich, they're only using these new rules to catch bad people doing bad things.
We honest, church going, law abiding taxpayers have nothing to fear from the government.

I was looking for the Bruce's

of the day

Elspode · 11-08-2005, 12:55 PM

At least this time around they're issuing actual written invitations to The Inquisition.

Elspode · 11-08-2005, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

But Rich, they're only using these new rules to catch bad people doing bad things.
We honest, church going, law abiding taxpayers have nothing to fear from the government.

You forgot to insert the word "Christian" between "abiding" and "taxpayers".

Trilby · 11-08-2005, 02:19 PM

Hm. I don't know what your collective problem is. So long as you do as you're told--NO PROBLEM! It's when you start thinking for yourselves that things go wrong. Didn't Principal Skinner have an "Independant Thought" button he could push in times of turmoil? Run along, now. Nothing to see.

PS--when in doubt, which is often, I identify myself as a member of the Most Radical Extreme Capital-Punishment Backing Christians for Christ. It seems to work. Esp. in Cincinnati.

The irony is that, if Jesus were here now, I'd totally date him.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-08-2005, 10:47 PM

And it's all Cheney's fault.

bargalunan · 11-09-2005, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

The irony is that, if Jesus were here now, I'd totally date him.

I won't throw the first stone.

Undertoad · 11-15-2005, 03:52 PM

Compare and contrast the Patriot Act with France's response and notice how much stronger France's response is:

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The lower house of France's parliament has approved plans to extend special powers by three months to try to bring a wave of urban rioting under control.
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The state of emergency laws, allowing local authorities to impose curfews, conduct house-to-house searches and ban public gatherings, date from the Algerian war of independence in the 1950s.

President Jacques Chirac told cabinet ministers the extraordinary powers are "strictly temporary and will only be applied where they are strictly necessary".

11-15-2005, 05:56 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the Patriot Act was a permanent law; France's emergency measures are only temporary. Stuff like what Rich posted make me want to go out and acquire as many unregistered weapons as possible to use in the up-coming and much needed overthrow of the US government.

Undertoad · 11-15-2005, 06:15 PM

The Patriot Act sunsets on December 31st of this year if not extended.

Happy Monkey · 11-15-2005, 06:29 PM

IIRC (and I may not), that's only true of some of the clauses.

11-15-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

The Patriot Act sunsets on December 31st of this year if not extended.

Whatcha wanna bet that they extend it? When has a government ever willingly given up power?

Undertoad · 11-15-2005, 09:17 PM

Did you ask those questions of the French?

11-07-2005, 08:34 PM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	But Rich, they're only using these new rules to catch bad people doing bad things. We honest, church going, law abiding taxpayers have nothing to fear from the government. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-07-2005, 09:03 PM	#3
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	Yeah, right. Actually, I fear this sort of thing more than most of the stuff this administration has come up with. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

11-08-2005, 12:55 PM	#5
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	At least this time around they're issuing actual written invitations to The Inquisition. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

11-08-2005, 02:19 PM	#7
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Hm. I don't know what your collective problem is. So long as you do as you're told--NO PROBLEM! It's when you start thinking for yourselves that things go wrong. Didn't Principal Skinner have an "Independant Thought" button he could push in times of turmoil? Run along, now. Nothing to see. PS--when in doubt, which is often, I identify myself as a member of the Most Radical Extreme Capital-Punishment Backing Christians for Christ. It seems to work. Esp. in Cincinnati. The irony is that, if Jesus were here now, I'd totally date him. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum Last edited by Trilby; 11-08-2005 at 02:21 PM.

11-08-2005, 10:47 PM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	And it's all Cheney's fault. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-15-2005, 05:56 PM	#11
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the Patriot Act was a permanent law; France's emergency measures are only temporary. Stuff like what Rich posted make me want to go out and acquire as many unregistered weapons as possible to use in the up-coming and much needed overthrow of the US government.

11-15-2005, 06:15 PM	#12
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The Patriot Act sunsets on December 31st of this year if not extended.

11-15-2005, 06:29 PM	#13
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	IIRC (and I may not), that's only true of some of the clauses. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-15-2005, 09:17 PM	#15
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Did you ask those questions of the French?

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