Which is more evil?

Griff · 12-07-2005, 05:44 PM

Hillary wants to pass a no-burn flag law instead of amending the Constitution. So which is more evil? At least the Republican nutjobs acknowlege that there has to be an amendment to mess with freedom of speech. They are sociopaths for suggesting it, however.

warch · 12-07-2005, 05:59 PM

Hillary wins the blind patriot points with out putting real teeth into it. Is manipulation less evil than force?

Griff · 12-07-2005, 06:13 PM

The Dems need to not run someone this time whose followers "know" (s)he doesn't really believe the nonsense (s)he spouts.

Undertoad · 12-07-2005, 06:14 PM

Hill's goal here is to force the Rs to spend stomping up-and-down time on an issue that doesn't really resonate with the public. And also to get them mad at her. If they are mad at her, she will win.

I didn't read Sun Tsu but I've spent time with people who did

footfootfoot · 12-07-2005, 09:28 PM

Until I read UT's post I was thinking "rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic"

Now I realize it is more of the same political shenanigans. Ugh. Still, how about stirring up some real shit, instead of these red herrings? (Hilary)

BTW, I met Hilary once and she has back. All kinds of back. She's got back she hasn't used yet.

Elspode · 12-07-2005, 11:13 PM

The only way to win political office in this country is to make sure and divert the public from anything bearing even the most remote similarity to an actual issue. Make shit up, blame it on the other guy, sit back and bake until done.

I think UT's got this one right.

dar512 · 12-08-2005, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

BTW, I met Hilary once and she has back. All kinds of back. She's got back she hasn't used yet.

Huh?

Radar · 12-08-2005, 10:18 AM

They're both evil. One of the things the flag stands for is my right to burn a flag if I feel like it (assuming it's my own flag)

12-09-2005, 12:34 AM

I think that all flags wrapped around politicians should be burned!

tw · 12-09-2005, 01:51 AM

Flags are essential. We must have a flag so that cannon fodder can wrap themselves in it. We need our cannon fodder properly directed. Every nation needs cannon fodder from time to time. Don't burn flags. Otherwise we would never have tools to convince cannon fodder that they are the patriots.

This safely posted here because no one in the Cellar would be foolish enough to become cannon fodder. I could be wrong.

lookout123 · 12-09-2005, 03:05 AM

cannon fodder? well, i guess i've signed up to be cannon fodder for the last 13 years(although January 12th will bring the end of my military career). i don't think i'm the most stupid individual on the planet.

i do believe that burning that flag is a constitutionally protected right that i'm willing to give my life for. even if the people who do it are, IMO, ignorant and generally just piss me off.

i believe that the idiots who want an amendment banning flag burning are just that - idiots. most of them don't get why some of us who have been willing to put on a uniform and hold a position are ok with the constitution the way it is.

i believe that the idiots that want to pass a law against flag burning, don't truly believe in the cause, and are only doing it to position themselves for the next election cycle and are double damned.

i don't care what the hell you stand for, just truly stand for it and i'll support your right to do that. if you are just vocalizing certain "beliefs" to get votes... well, i'd like to shoot you for it.

yep, i've been absent from the cellar, but little has changed in my thought process.

Griff · 12-09-2005, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

yep, i've been absent from the cellar, but little has changed in my thought process.

It is nice to be able count on some things.

smoothmoniker · 12-09-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Hill's goal here is to force the Rs to spend stomping up-and-down time on an issue that doesn't really resonate with the public. And also to get them mad at her. If they are mad at her, she will win.

I'm not sure on this one. I think getting your opposition mad at you might be a bad idea. Making your oppo made gives them a reason to come out and vote against you, even if they don't like their particular candidate. You want your opposition to be apathetic and disinterested, and to stay at home on election day.

-sm

Happy Monkey · 12-09-2005, 07:00 PM

The only poeple who will get mad over flag burning are histrionic politicians. Few will go to the polls over it.

12-09-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

The only poeple who will get mad over flag burning are histrionic politicians. Few will go to the polls over it.

Eh, back in the late 60's the "love it or leave it" crowd might have. I don't see it as being one of today's burning issues, though (so to speak

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12-07-2005, 05:44 PM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Which is more evil? Hillary wants to pass a no-burn flag law instead of amending the Constitution. So which is more evil? At least the Republican nutjobs acknowlege that there has to be an amendment to mess with freedom of speech. They are sociopaths for suggesting it, however. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

12-07-2005, 06:13 PM	#3
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	The Dems need to not run someone this time whose followers "know" (s)he doesn't really believe the nonsense (s)he spouts. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

12-07-2005, 09:28 PM	#5
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Until I read UT's post I was thinking "rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic" Now I realize it is more of the same political shenanigans. Ugh. Still, how about stirring up some real shit, instead of these red herrings? (Hilary) BTW, I met Hilary once and she has back. All kinds of back. She's got back she hasn't used yet. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

12-07-2005, 11:13 PM	#6
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	The only way to win political office in this country is to make sure and divert the public from anything bearing even the most remote similarity to an actual issue. Make shit up, blame it on the other guy, sit back and bake until done. I think UT's got this one right. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

12-08-2005, 10:18 AM	#8
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	They're both evil. One of the things the flag stands for is my right to burn a flag if I feel like it (assuming it's my own flag) __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

12-07-2005, 05:59 PM	#2
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Hillary wins the blind patriot points with out putting real teeth into it. Is manipulation less evil than force?

12-07-2005, 06:14 PM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Hill's goal here is to force the Rs to spend stomping up-and-down time on an issue that doesn't really resonate with the public. And also to get them mad at her. If they are mad at her, she will win. I didn't read Sun Tsu but I've spent time with people who did

12-09-2005, 12:34 AM	#9
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	I think that all flags wrapped around politicians should be burned!

12-09-2005, 01:51 AM	#10
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Flags are essential. We must have a flag so that cannon fodder can wrap themselves in it. We need our cannon fodder properly directed. Every nation needs cannon fodder from time to time. Don't burn flags. Otherwise we would never have tools to convince cannon fodder that they are the patriots. This safely posted here because no one in the Cellar would be foolish enough to become cannon fodder. I could be wrong. Last edited by tw; 12-09-2005 at 01:55 AM.

12-09-2005, 03:05 AM	#11
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	cannon fodder? well, i guess i've signed up to be cannon fodder for the last 13 years(although January 12th will bring the end of my military career). i don't think i'm the most stupid individual on the planet. i do believe that burning that flag is a constitutionally protected right that i'm willing to give my life for. even if the people who do it are, IMO, ignorant and generally just piss me off. i believe that the idiots who want an amendment banning flag burning are just that - idiots. most of them don't get why some of us who have been willing to put on a uniform and hold a position are ok with the constitution the way it is. i believe that the idiots that want to pass a law against flag burning, don't truly believe in the cause, and are only doing it to position themselves for the next election cycle and are double damned. i don't care what the hell you stand for, just truly stand for it and i'll support your right to do that. if you are just vocalizing certain "beliefs" to get votes... well, i'd like to shoot you for it. yep, i've been absent from the cellar, but little has changed in my thought process.

12-09-2005, 07:00 PM	#14
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	The only poeple who will get mad over flag burning are histrionic politicians. Few will go to the polls over it. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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