1/11/2006: Cattle sacrifice - Page 3

mrnoodle · 01-12-2006, 05:00 PM

I find the ritualistic aspect weird, myself. But the overriding question is this: If there's nothing wrong with killing the cow and eating the meat, why should there be anything wrong with, say, hopping 3 times in a circle, yelling abracadabra, then killing the cow and eating the meat? It's kind of the same thing with hunting -- people graciously allow us to kill our dinner, but only if we don't enjoy it too much. Cuz that would be "sport", and as Bambi taught us, killing for sport is wrong.

I say let every person render their protein in the manner they see fit -- without guilt or the need to hide where civilized people won't see us and get a tummyache.

BigV · 01-12-2006, 05:02 PM

Like the scene in Apocalypse Now where the bull is slaughtered in one stroke, eh?

capnhowdy · 01-12-2006, 06:03 PM

BigV.....

insert link, please.

BigV · 01-12-2006, 06:32 PM

***Spoiler Alert***

The scene is well described in this excerpt. To provide context, I have included the lead up to the scene. I was unable to find an image of the scene. For those who have seen the film, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

The scene outlined below is the very climax of the film, the very end. Highlight at your peril.

I have included a link to the page from which the material was copied, as well as a link to the first of several pages that describe the movie.

Accepting the inevitable, Willard is poised to kill Kurtz as an act of mercy. In a climactic moral battle that rages within himself (in voice-over), he questions his own commanding officers. Though secretly identifying with and admiring Kurtz, Willard understands that he must perform his God-given duty as an officially-sanctioned assassin - who makes no judgments about his orders:

They were going to make me a Major for this and I wasn't even in their f---in' army any more. Everybody wanted me to do it. Him most of all. I felt like he was up there, waiting for me to take the pain away. He just wanted to go out like a soldier, standing up. Not like some poor, wasted, rag-assed renegade. Even the jungle wanted him dead, and that's who he really took his orders from anyway.

He slips off the boat and approaches toward the sacrificial temple. Waiting in his temple headquarters, Kurtz allows Willard to carry out his sacrificial mission that night. Willard's head rises up out of the steamy primordial depths of filthy water as he begins (and ends) his quest, to seek out his prey for the slaughter - the imposing, bullish Kurtz. Lightning strobe effects and the frenzied rhythmic sounds of the Doors' The End accompany the stalking and slaying of Kurtz with a machete.

Come on, baby, take a chance with us
Come on, baby, take a chance with us
Come on, baby, take a chance with us
And meet me at the back of the blue bus tonight...

Kurtz is reading into a tape recorder in his quarters, faced sideways before the golden light of his inner sanctum.

We train young men to drop fire on people but their commanders won't allow them to write 'FUCK' on their airplanes because it's obscene.

He turns and permits his own sacrifice when he sees Willard approaching. It is a ritualistic slaughter, brilliantly cross-cut with the brutal sacrificial killing of a carabao/water buffalo by the natives as a ritualistic sacrifice to their gods. As he dies on the ground, Kurtz mutters a few final, dying words, accepting the evil present in the human soul:

The horror. The horror.

[The words duplicated the last words in Joseph Conrad's story upon which the film was based, Heart of Darkness.]

The old king/chieftain of the people is sacrificed, in order for the land to become liberated. As Willard exits from the compound, his eye catches one of Kurtz' type-written documents, where he reads "Drop the Bomb - Exterminate Them All!' scrawled in red ink across one page. For a brief moment, he sits at Kurtz' desk, contemplating the opportunity to take the Colonel's place as a new god and king. The subservient villagers bow down to their new powerful god-like leader, and although he is tempted, Willard refuses to bask in their reverence. With the bloody machete and Kurtz' papers in hand, Willard is given a path through the awed, native throng. They lay down their weapons as he passes. [This climactic scene has a surprising, uncanny resemblance to an unlikely film, The Wizard of Oz (1939). The hero, who has journeyed to a strange land, is worshipped by the local people after vanquishing their god-like leader and liberating them. The Wicked Witch of the East is eliminated, as are the Wizard and Kurtz - who are similarly bald, oppressive, and usually hidden from view).]

With his bloody mission accomplished, Willard guides stoned-out Lance to the patrol boat so that they can begin their return journey. They retreat in the gunboat as the natives close in on them on the banks. As they pull away, a cleansing hard rain begins to fall and static-filled radio transmissions from Almighty play on the soundtrack. Willard abruptly shuts off the radio (preventing an immediate airstrike?). During a series of slow dissolving images, Kurtz's last words are echoed again.

A. The film fades to black. [The end credits roll and are played silently against a black background. These credits were added to the film's 35mm screenings.]

xoxoxoBruce · 01-12-2006, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barefoot serpent

or would that be whet the stone?

A whet stone is a stone selected for sharpening knives and tools because of it's properties. A whet stone is usually used wet with water or oil to prevent the tiny particles of metal from clogging the pores of the stone, thus rendering it useless.
Just concentrate on that and forget the Marlon Brando diet.

capnhowdy · 01-13-2006, 07:22 AM

From Ultra Hal's Lexical dictionary:

2 senses of whet as a verb

Sense 1
whet, quicken
-> stimulate, excite, stir
=> masturbate, wank, fuck off, she-bop, jack off, jerk off
=> masturbate
=> horripilate
=> work
=> fellate, blow, go down on
=> thrill
=> whet, quicken
=> disgust, revolt, repel

Sense 2
whet
-> sharpen
=> strap
=> edge
=> strop
=> whet
=> hone

xoxoxoBruce · 01-13-2006, 11:15 AM

I've never been in favor of book burning but Ultra Hal could change my mind.

01-12-2006, 05:00 PM	#31
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	I find the ritualistic aspect weird, myself. But the overriding question is this: If there's nothing wrong with killing the cow and eating the meat, why should there be anything wrong with, say, hopping 3 times in a circle, yelling abracadabra, then killing the cow and eating the meat? It's kind of the same thing with hunting -- people graciously allow us to kill our dinner, but only if we don't enjoy it too much. Cuz that would be "sport", and as Bambi taught us, killing for sport is wrong. I say let every person render their protein in the manner they see fit -- without guilt or the need to hide where civilized people won't see us and get a tummyache. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

01-12-2006, 05:02 PM	#32
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	Like the scene in Apocalypse Now where the bull is slaughtered in one stroke, eh? __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

01-12-2006, 06:03 PM	#33
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	BigV..... insert link, please. __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

01-12-2006, 06:32 PM	#34
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	*Spoiler Alert* The scene is well described in this excerpt. To provide context, I have included the lead up to the scene. I was unable to find an image of the scene. For those who have seen the film, you know exactly what I'm talking about. The scene outlined below is the very climax of the film, the very end. Highlight at your peril. I have included a link to the page from which the material was copied, as well as a link to the first of several pages that describe the movie. Accepting the inevitable, Willard is poised to kill Kurtz as an act of mercy. In a climactic moral battle that rages within himself (in voice-over), he questions his own commanding officers. Though secretly identifying with and admiring Kurtz, Willard understands that he must perform his God-given duty as an officially-sanctioned assassin - who makes no judgments about his orders: They were going to make me a Major for this and I wasn't even in their f---in' army any more. Everybody wanted me to do it. Him most of all. I felt like he was up there, waiting for me to take the pain away. He just wanted to go out like a soldier, standing up. Not like some poor, wasted, rag-assed renegade. Even the jungle wanted him dead, and that's who he really took his orders from anyway. He slips off the boat and approaches toward the sacrificial temple. Waiting in his temple headquarters, Kurtz allows Willard to carry out his sacrificial mission that night. Willard's head rises up out of the steamy primordial depths of filthy water as he begins (and ends) his quest, to seek out his prey for the slaughter - the imposing, bullish Kurtz. Lightning strobe effects and the frenzied rhythmic sounds of the Doors' The End accompany the stalking and slaying of Kurtz with a machete. Come on, baby, take a chance with us Come on, baby, take a chance with us Come on, baby, take a chance with us And meet me at the back of the blue bus tonight... Kurtz is reading into a tape recorder in his quarters, faced sideways before the golden light of his inner sanctum. We train young men to drop fire on people but their commanders won't allow them to write 'FUCK' on their airplanes because it's obscene. He turns and permits his own sacrifice when he sees Willard approaching. It is a ritualistic slaughter, brilliantly cross-cut with the brutal sacrificial killing of a carabao/water buffalo by the natives as a ritualistic sacrifice to their gods. As he dies on the ground, Kurtz mutters a few final, dying words, accepting the evil present in the human soul: The horror. The horror. [The words duplicated the last words in Joseph Conrad's story upon which the film was based, Heart of Darkness.] The old king/chieftain of the people is sacrificed, in order for the land to become liberated. As Willard exits from the compound, his eye catches one of Kurtz' type-written documents, where he reads "Drop the Bomb - Exterminate Them All!' scrawled in red ink across one page. For a brief moment, he sits at Kurtz' desk, contemplating the opportunity to take the Colonel's place as a new god and king. The subservient villagers bow down to their new powerful god-like leader, and although he is tempted, Willard refuses to bask in their reverence. With the bloody machete and Kurtz' papers in hand, Willard is given a path through the awed, native throng. They lay down their weapons as he passes. [This climactic scene has a surprising, uncanny resemblance to an unlikely film, The Wizard of Oz (1939). The hero, who has journeyed to a strange land, is worshipped by the local people after vanquishing their god-like leader and liberating them. The Wicked Witch of the East is eliminated, as are the Wizard and Kurtz - who are similarly bald, oppressive, and usually hidden from view).] With his bloody mission accomplished, Willard guides stoned-out Lance to the patrol boat so that they can begin their return journey. They retreat in the gunboat as the natives close in on them on the banks. As they pull away, a cleansing hard rain begins to fall and static-filled radio transmissions from Almighty play on the soundtrack. Willard abruptly shuts off the radio (preventing an immediate airstrike?). During a series of slow dissolving images, Kurtz's last words are echoed again. A. The film fades to black. [The end credits roll and are played silently against a black background. These credits were added to the film's 35mm screenings.] __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

01-13-2006, 07:22 AM	#36
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	From Ultra Hal's Lexical dictionary: 2 senses of whet as a verb Sense 1 whet, quicken -> stimulate, excite, stir => masturbate, wank, fuck off, she-bop, jack off, jerk off => masturbate => horripilate => work => fellate, blow, go down on => thrill => whet, quicken => disgust, revolt, repel Sense 2 whet -> sharpen => strap => edge => strop => whet => hone __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

01-13-2006, 11:15 AM	#37
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I've never been in favor of book burning but Ultra Hal could change my mind. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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