Sarah Palin - Page 15

classicman · 10-12-2008, 03:10 PM

Perhaps Merc's point was whether or not Palin created the policy to charge for the kits. To that, the answer is no - It was one of her predecessors - not her. Who actually started this policy? Look it up.

They seem to want to make it appear as though she implemented the policy - that is wrong.

Can we once and for all put this to rest and stop playing the semantics games?

Sundae · 10-12-2008, 03:24 PM

Crikey me - I never even heard about the rape kits thing.
Sorry, because this isn't germaine to the thread (as it might not be a Palin introduction) but are you seriously telling me that the richest country in the world makes women reporting rape pay to have it proved? Or that it was even an issue up for discussion?

If that's the case - and I admit I may have the wrong end of the stick - (nasty pun only mildly intended) then it's like my Mum says - the rich stay rich by holding onto their money.

classicman · 10-12-2008, 03:28 PM

Here is a link for you to read about it. Read it carefully.

Here is an even better one.

Sundae · 10-12-2008, 03:45 PM

Thank you.
There is no conclusive proof that Palin supported this, but I am still appalled by it.

I appreciate the fact that "they" were determined to recou the costs from the insurance companies rather than individual women, but it still shocks me that gathering evidence is considered differently in a sexual crime than a burglary. They don't show that on CSI!

TheMercenary · 10-12-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

She was fired, and rehired after public outrage. She eventually quit.They say she was, and she did address their convention. She could have just been humoring them, though."has not pushed" was probably the best way you could have phrased that, as she both called for teaching creationism, and promised not to push it during her campaign. Of course, even the idea of "both sides" is problematic in itself, as "both" implies "two", and once magic is allowed, there are infinite possible "sides" to the "debate". During her term, under her chosen police chief, the bills for rape kits, and no other police activity, were sent to the victims' insurance. So, Yes.

As for Kos, on a site where anyone can post anything I wouldn't have mentioned anything if you'd restricted your original comment to posters. But you included bloggers, implying some level of support from the Daily Kos iteslf. So we have an example of "The Daily Kos at the forefront again." That diary entry has five reccommendations, and is full of comments debunking the story. To show up outside of the archives for more than a few minutes, you need hundreds of reccommendations. So not only did this forefront issue not come from Kos bloggers, it didn't even attract much support from the posters.

And none of your examples rise to the level of "terrorist", which was what your original "no different" was a response to.

You need to do more research, much of that is bull shit that does not directly involve Palin. Another prime example of KOS rumor picked up and run by the liberal press is the SAT score Scandle.

Happy Monkey · 10-13-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

You need to do more research, much of that is bull shit that does not directly involve Palin

All of it involves Palin. The rape kits may or may not directly involve her, but the rest do. None of it is bull shit.

tw · 10-13-2008, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

All of it involves Palin. The rape kits may or may not directly involve her, but the rest do. None of it is bull shit.

If Palin was so innocent, then she would have scored significant political points by aggressively denying those accusations. Then use those accusations as proof that she was being smeared. Instead Palin was silent.

Palin, who is right there continuously with McCain and his campaign staff, says nothing? Instead we only get this tacit denial from the campaign's communications director?

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In a statement, Jill Hazelbaker, communications director for Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign, said that "to imply that Gov. Palin is or has ever been an advocate of charging victims for evidence gathering kits is an utter distortion of reality."

"As her record shows, Gov. Palin is committed to supporting victims and bringing violent criminals to justice," Hazelbaker said. "She does not, nor has she ever believed that rape victims should have to pay for an evidence gathering test."

Either the campaign is so devoid of political savvy as to not have Palin deny this, or the campaign has good reasons to fear further press investigations. Well the McCain campaign also cannot trust Palin to campaign without McCain. Numerous reasons why Palin does not deny this accusation - and all suggest negative conclusions about Palin.

If the problem did not exist, a politically savvy Palin would have personally done the denials AND earned political points for doing so. She did not or could not. Either way, that is the damning fact – just another problem with the right wing’s perfect choice.

Even George Jr was not so dumb as to be kept mute on the campaign trail.

DanaC · 10-13-2008, 07:10 PM

*Blinks* that's a really good point tw.

TheMercenary · 10-13-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

All of it involves Palin. The rape kits may or may not directly involve her, but the rest do. None of it is bull shit.

Total and utter Bull Shit.

Undertoad · 10-13-2008, 08:47 PM

If you get the candidate to say the words "rape kit" then you win the election.

classicman · 10-13-2008, 08:54 PM

Perhaps there is no way to conclusively prove it either way - as was the case. Perhaps the utter denials served no point other than drawing more attention to a non-issue. Perhaps - perhaps not...

Who started this policy? Apparently it was not Palin. How long has this policy been in place? Is this practice common elsewhere? Where else is it still happening? Perhaps it would be better to proactively address those issues elsewhere. Perhaps - perhaps not...
Damning questions that are not being asked by the media. Why is that?

TheMercenary · 10-13-2008, 09:47 PM

"Daily Kos"

The rumor mill, ala, liberal news source.

HungLikeJesus · 10-13-2008, 10:15 PM

It's interesting to hear these two Alaskan "women-on-the-street" talk about Palin:

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-113360

TheMercenary · 10-13-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus

It's interesting to hear these two Alaskan "women-on-the-street" talk about Palin:

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-113360

Two girls who barely have started their periods? Good source...

monster · 10-13-2008, 10:41 PM

Q: Where does Palin stand on foreign policy?
A: Dunno, Alaska.

10-12-2008, 03:10 PM	#211
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Perhaps Merc's point was whether or not Palin created the policy to charge for the kits. To that, the answer is no - It was one of her predecessors - not her. Who actually started this policy? Look it up. They seem to want to make it appear as though she implemented the policy - that is wrong. Can we once and for all put this to rest and stop playing the semantics games? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-12-2008, 03:24 PM	#212
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Crikey me - I never even heard about the rape kits thing. Sorry, because this isn't germaine to the thread (as it might not be a Palin introduction) but are you seriously telling me that the richest country in the world makes women reporting rape pay to have it proved? Or that it was even an issue up for discussion? If that's the case - and I admit I may have the wrong end of the stick - (nasty pun only mildly intended) then it's like my Mum says - the rich stay rich by holding onto their money. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

10-12-2008, 03:28 PM	#213
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Here is a link for you to read about it. Read it carefully. Here is an even better one. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-12-2008, 03:45 PM	#214
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Thank you. There is no conclusive proof that Palin supported this, but I am still appalled by it. I appreciate the fact that "they" were determined to recou the costs from the insurance companies rather than individual women, but it still shocks me that gathering evidence is considered differently in a sexual crime than a burglary. They don't show that on CSI! __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

10-13-2008, 08:54 PM	#221
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Perhaps there is no way to conclusively prove it either way - as was the case. Perhaps the utter denials served no point other than drawing more attention to a non-issue. Perhaps - perhaps not... Who started this policy? Apparently it was not Palin. How long has this policy been in place? Is this practice common elsewhere? Where else is it still happening? Perhaps it would be better to proactively address those issues elsewhere. Perhaps - perhaps not... Damning questions that are not being asked by the media. Why is that? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-13-2008, 07:10 PM	#218
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Blinks that's a really good point tw.

10-13-2008, 08:47 PM	#220
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	If you get the candidate to say the words "rape kit" then you win the election.

10-13-2008, 09:47 PM	#222
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	"Daily Kos" The rumor mill, ala, liberal news source. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

10-13-2008, 10:15 PM	#223
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	Two Alaskan Women Speak Out on Palin It's interesting to hear these two Alaskan "women-on-the-street" talk about Palin: http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-113360 __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

10-13-2008, 10:41 PM	#225
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Q: Where does Palin stand on foreign policy? A: Dunno, Alaska. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

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