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Juniper · 11-16-2008, 04:40 PM

Right or wrong, saying things like "I'm smarter/superior/better educated" is pretty lame. Those who have truly achieved those superlative heights, whether it be knowledge, wealth, or spiritual virtue, have no need to TELL others how good they are. It either shows, or it doesn't.

But I guess you do indeed have the right to be an ass.

Radar · 11-16-2008, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juniper

Right or wrong, saying things like "I'm smarter/superior/better educated" is pretty lame. Those who have truly achieved those superlative heights, whether it be knowledge, wealth, or spiritual virtue, have no need to TELL others how good they are. It either shows, or it doesn't.

But I guess you do indeed have the right to be an ass.

It's nice to see I've convinced you that we have rights. As far as tooting my own horn goes, it has more to do with his inferiority than my superiority. The average 40 year old guy working at a fast food place has a lot more on the ball than Merc.

Aliantha · 11-16-2008, 04:41 PM

I think you're catching on now Juni.

Aliantha · 11-16-2008, 04:42 PM

Maybe just a little bit.

TheMercenary · 11-16-2008, 04:49 PM

Ali, I still have some left, you want me to send you some?

Aliantha · 11-16-2008, 04:51 PM

Oh yeah...for Xmas. lol Yummy.

Juniper · 11-16-2008, 04:51 PM

Quote:

It's nice to see I've convinced you that we have rights.

That was sarcasm.

Aliantha · 11-16-2008, 04:53 PM

This thread has become as entertaining as the 'liberal thugocracy' thread.

TheMercenary · 11-16-2008, 04:54 PM

NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER

Diagnostic Features:

Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition characterized by an inflated sense of self-importance, need for admiration, extreme self-involvement, and lack of empathy for others. Individuals with this disorder are usually arrogantly self-assured and confident. They expect to be noticed as superior. Many highly successful individuals might be considered narcissistic. However, this disorder is only diagnosed when these behaviors become persistent and very disabling or distressing.

Complications:

Vulnerability in self-esteem makes individuals with this disorder very sensitive to criticism or defeat. Although they may not show it outwardly, criticism may haunt these individuals these individuals and may leave them feeling humiliated, degraded, hollow, and empty. They may react with disdain, rage, or defiant counterattack. Their social life is often impaired due to problems derived from entitlement, the need for admiration, and the relative disregard for the sensitivities of others. Though their excessive ambition and confidence may lead to high achievement; performance may be disrupted due to intolerance of criticism or defeat. Sometimes vocational functioning can be very low, reflecting an unwillingness to take a risk in competitive or other situations in which defeat is possible. Individuals with this disorder have special difficulties adjusting to growing old and losing their former ?superiority?.

Comorbidity:

In this disorder, sustained feelings of shame or humiliation and the attendant self-criticism may be associated with social withdrawal, depressed mood, and Dysthymic or Major Depressive Disorder. In contrast, sustained periods of grandiosity may be associated with a hypomanic mood. Anorexia Nervosa, Substance-Related Disorders (especially related to cocaine), and other Personality Disorders (especially Histrionic, Borderline, Antisocial, and Paranoid) frequently co-occur with this disorder.

Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include:

Believing that you're better than others
Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
Exaggerating your achievements or talents
Expecting constant praise and admiration
Believing that you're special
Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings
Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
Taking advantage of others
Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
Being jealous of others
Believing that others are jealous of you
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Setting unrealistic goals
Being easily hurt and rejected
Having a fragile self-esteem
Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nar...CTION=symptoms

Aliantha · 11-16-2008, 05:29 PM

It's true if you believe in the theory of yourself as the most important entity before all others.

jinx · 11-16-2008, 05:54 PM

It's exactly the same thing.

Until someone (society/government etc) comes along and violates your rights... you have the right to live and be free and do whatever you want that doesn't violate someone elses rights.

Undertoad · 11-16-2008, 06:25 PM

Construct any notion of rights you like. Society treats you according to its definition, not yours. You can say "help, my rights are being infringed upon!" And you may well be right, by some knowable, provable philosophy. But your cries are meaningless to society, because society simply does not give a shit.

Having the rights is the really easy part -- if they're natural, you're born with them, mission accomplished. You can say that was the important part, but if you're, say, killed, the very notion that you would have any rights died along with your brain tissue. Defending the rights, now that's the tough part.

Why just today a guy was ruining my right to travel down the road at any speed I like, by driving in front of me at a slower speed.

So I shot him. Why take chances?

jinx · 11-16-2008, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Why just today a guy was ruining my right to travel down the road at any speed I like, by driving in front of me at a slower speed.

Driving is a privilege, not a right. Didn't you take driver ed?

TheMercenary · 11-16-2008, 06:27 PM

I lean towards Dana's thinking on this. We never knew what we had (rights) until we began to have societal constructs such as government to restrict our freedoms. Only then were we even able to define "rights" in the sense we discuss here. The "rights" described in the Constitution are another thing which man uses to describe where government can and cannot intervene.

jinx · 11-16-2008, 06:38 PM

Why do we (european settlers) make restitution to the native peoples of our lands? Is it because we realize we violated their natural rights?
They certainly didn't have any rights constructed within our society.... so fuck em right?

The US constitution defines some of the rights that government may not infringe upon, and others that it may protect. It does not grant any rights.

11-16-2008, 04:41 PM	#3
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I think you're catching on now Juni. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-16-2008, 04:42 PM	#4
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Maybe just a little bit. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-16-2008, 04:49 PM	#5
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Ali, I still have some left, you want me to send you some? __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

11-16-2008, 04:51 PM	#6
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Oh yeah...for Xmas. lol Yummy. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-16-2008, 04:53 PM	#8
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	This thread has become as entertaining as the 'liberal thugocracy' thread. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-16-2008, 04:40 PM	#1
Juniper I know, right? Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,539	Right or wrong, saying things like "I'm smarter/superior/better educated" is pretty lame. Those who have truly achieved those superlative heights, whether it be knowledge, wealth, or spiritual virtue, have no need to TELL others how good they are. It either shows, or it doesn't. But I guess you do indeed have the right to be an ass.

11-16-2008, 04:54 PM	#9
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER Diagnostic Features: Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition characterized by an inflated sense of self-importance, need for admiration, extreme self-involvement, and lack of empathy for others. Individuals with this disorder are usually arrogantly self-assured and confident. They expect to be noticed as superior. Many highly successful individuals might be considered narcissistic. However, this disorder is only diagnosed when these behaviors become persistent and very disabling or distressing. Complications: Vulnerability in self-esteem makes individuals with this disorder very sensitive to criticism or defeat. Although they may not show it outwardly, criticism may haunt these individuals these individuals and may leave them feeling humiliated, degraded, hollow, and empty. They may react with disdain, rage, or defiant counterattack. Their social life is often impaired due to problems derived from entitlement, the need for admiration, and the relative disregard for the sensitivities of others. Though their excessive ambition and confidence may lead to high achievement; performance may be disrupted due to intolerance of criticism or defeat. Sometimes vocational functioning can be very low, reflecting an unwillingness to take a risk in competitive or other situations in which defeat is possible. Individuals with this disorder have special difficulties adjusting to growing old and losing their former ?superiority?. Comorbidity: In this disorder, sustained feelings of shame or humiliation and the attendant self-criticism may be associated with social withdrawal, depressed mood, and Dysthymic or Major Depressive Disorder. In contrast, sustained periods of grandiosity may be associated with a hypomanic mood. Anorexia Nervosa, Substance-Related Disorders (especially related to cocaine), and other Personality Disorders (especially Histrionic, Borderline, Antisocial, and Paranoid) frequently co-occur with this disorder. Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include: Believing that you're better than others Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness Exaggerating your achievements or talents Expecting constant praise and admiration Believing that you're special Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans Taking advantage of others Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior Being jealous of others Believing that others are jealous of you Trouble keeping healthy relationships Setting unrealistic goals Being easily hurt and rejected Having a fragile self-esteem Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nar...CTION=symptoms __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

11-16-2008, 05:29 PM	#10
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	It's true if you believe in the theory of yourself as the most important entity before all others. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-16-2008, 05:54 PM	#11
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	It's exactly the same thing. Until someone (society/government etc) comes along and violates your rights... you have the right to live and be free and do whatever you want that doesn't violate someone elses rights. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

11-16-2008, 06:25 PM	#12
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Construct any notion of rights you like. Society treats you according to its definition, not yours. You can say "help, my rights are being infringed upon!" And you may well be right, by some knowable, provable philosophy. But your cries are meaningless to society, because society simply does not give a shit. Having the rights is the really easy part -- if they're natural, you're born with them, mission accomplished. You can say that was the important part, but if you're, say, killed, the very notion that you would have any rights died along with your brain tissue. Defending the rights, now that's the tough part. Why just today a guy was ruining my right to travel down the road at any speed I like, by driving in front of me at a slower speed. So I shot him. Why take chances?

11-16-2008, 06:27 PM	#14
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I lean towards Dana's thinking on this. We never knew what we had (rights) until we began to have societal constructs such as government to restrict our freedoms. Only then were we even able to define "rights" in the sense we discuss here. The "rights" described in the Constitution are another thing which man uses to describe where government can and cannot intervene. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

11-16-2008, 06:38 PM	#15
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Why do we (european settlers) make restitution to the native peoples of our lands? Is it because we realize we violated their natural rights? They certainly didn't have any rights constructed within our society.... so fuck em right? The US constitution defines some of the rights that government may not infringe upon, and others that it may protect. It does not grant any rights. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

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