The American form of Government - Page 7

Flint · 02-21-2009, 10:28 AM

Douche.

TGRR · 02-21-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Douche.

Hit a nerve, did I?

xoxoxoBruce · 02-21-2009, 10:50 AM

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Or it could be defined as "making up new definitions as the primary support for your argument"...ie, the utter bullshit definition of the left vs right dichotomy in the video or, you know, your post that I am quoting.

He's pointing out what you want to call "left" and "right" have the same result of total government control. Making a new chart from total control on one side and no government control makes more sense to me. He could have reversed it and put total control on the right side, and still make his point, but you seem to be so hung up on the "left" & "right" labels you're missing his point.

Anyway, it was not primary support for his explanation(not argument) of the difference between a Democracy and a Republic. They would fall in between the extremes no matter what you put on the "right/left"

TGRR · 02-21-2009, 11:15 AM

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He's pointing out what you want to call "left" and "right" have the same result of total government control. Making a new chart from total control on one side and no government control makes more sense to me.

A guy named Jerry Pournelle did that, back in the 60s.

One axis of a cartesian plane was state control. Far left (on the graph) was no control or regulation at all, far right was utter control of every facet of life.

The vertical axis was economic. The lower end was no taxation or public services whatsoever, and the upper end was stifling taxation at every income level.

This allows you to plot yourself on the graph, and allows differentation between Stalin and Jefferson (on the "left"), and between Hitler and William Howard Taft (on the "right").

xoxoxoBruce · 02-21-2009, 11:21 AM

That sounds like a better way to define the possibilities more accurately.

Flint · 02-21-2009, 11:41 AM

No.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-21-2009, 11:43 AM

Why?

TGRR · 02-21-2009, 11:52 AM

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Why?

Because I said it, and Flint is all butthurt with me right now.

Flint · 02-21-2009, 11:54 AM

Right, I sign off on whatever else TGRR says. TGRR is unstoppable!

Shawnee123 · 02-21-2009, 12:06 PM

You should see his filing techniques.

piercehawkeye45 · 02-21-2009, 12:12 PM

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This allows you to plot yourself on the graph, and allows differentation between Stalin and Jefferson (on the "left"), and between Hitler and William Howard Taft (on the "right").

This is different but serves the same purpose.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-21-2009, 12:15 PM

It does?

TGRR · 02-21-2009, 12:42 PM

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It does?

Kinda. Except that "Left" and "Right" are essentially meaningless terms.

I think they're using it to describe spending, since the state control issue is already on the graph.

TGRR · 02-21-2009, 12:43 PM

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You should see his filing techniques.

"Jam it in the hopper."

TGRR · 02-21-2009, 12:43 PM

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Right, I sign off on whatever else TGRR says. TGRR is unstoppable!

It's on account of my stunning good looks.

02-21-2009, 10:28 AM	#91
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02-21-2009, 11:41 AM	#96
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	No. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

02-21-2009, 11:43 AM	#97
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Why? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Right, I sign off on whatever else TGRR says. TGRR is unstoppable! __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	You should see his filing techniques. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

02-21-2009, 12:15 PM	#102
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It does? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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