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[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by slang

Hello SP

I must say in all honesty that most everything that you post makes my trigger finger twitch and the word "bullshit" slip out of my mouth quite loudly.

We do however agree on the biofuels issue. Food for fuel? That does not have to be the case. How many people eat marine algae as a food stapel? Not many. I believe that ethanol is viable through algae.

Ethanol alone is not the answer and wont replace gas as a motor fuel. It seems possible to me that 50/50 gas ethanol would make a huge difference in energy imports and allow more job/business opportunities here in the US. Not bullshit census jobs, real jobs that pay and that are sustainable.

With some luck and good planning I should be able to study and experiment more on the subject in the coming months on my next great adventure back to the Philippine islands.

The coastal waters are warm enough year round to allow continuous harvesting of algae and the islands combined have about 25k miles of coastline to accomplish this. The US, on the other hand has about half of that length of coastline and much of that is out of the temperature range of many types of algae.

This is something that I'm quite serious about investigating. It seems possible that with all the conditions present today that the PI could provide a good portion of alcohol to it's fuel market as well as possibly China's.

Lots of "ifs" in there but it's technically possible IMO.

I have brought up the whole biofuel from algae thing before and posted a link. Brazil makes fuel from sugarcane, so we know it can work.

What else did I say that makes you want to kill me? Electric cars?

Here is a link to Tesla Motors, fully electirc cars... http://www.teslamotors.com/

[tw]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

I have brought up the whole biofuel from algae thing before and posted a link. Brazil makes fuel from sugarcane, so we know it can work.

It works for Brazilian biomass because they grow in temperatures above 70 degrees F. The process to obtain energy from biomaterial grown at lower temperatures (ie corn) is so inefficient as to probably consume more energy than it creates.

The concept works in theory. In practice, it has been a grand and expensive disappointment.

So how did we solve the problem? A technically ignorant admistration solved it by putting a $0.50 per gallon tax on Brazilian and other imported ethanol. Biofuels were really only welfare to midwest farmers.

For your proposals to work, first they must work in science. None have yet shown anywhere near the promise or success that must exist today for them to work in years future.

A glaring fact makes the most viable solution obvious. In ten gallons of gas maybe one and never more than two gallons do productive work. That other eight plus gallons gets wasted completely as heat or pollution. That is where solutions can be implemented, already exist in some examples, and are still being routinely stified by the companies who could best implement them and be profitable for doing so.

Everybody likes Sara Lee - even though she routinely stifled battery innovation? General Motors remains unscathed by your contempt?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by tw

Everybody likes Sara Lee - even though she routinely stifled battery innovation? General Motors remains unscathed by your contempt?

Not something you can prove, so it must be one of your moronic lies: you cannot show improved battery technology to exist, and insist some industry conspiracy is suppressing its expression. Well, conspiracy theory is the realm of flakes and kooks.

Note that I never subscribe to conspiracy theory in any of my so-called "crazy" posts.

Not like you could make a 500-mile/80mph battery pack, either. You can't even theorize how, let alone engineer it. Broke-dick.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Not something you can prove, so it must be one of your moronic lies: you cannot show improved battery technology to exist, and insist some industry conspiracy is suppressing its expression. Well, conspiracy theory is the realm of flakes and kooks.

Note that I never subscribe to conspiracy theory in any of my so-called "crazy" posts.

Not like you could make a 500-mile/80mph battery pack, either. You can't even theorize how, let alone engineer it. Broke-dick.

There IS a 300 mile battery though, already in use, and I have posted SEVERAL TIMES links to the website. yes, the cars are still kind of expensive for some people, but as more people buy them, they will become less expensive, AND, they are comparable to other cars in the same price range.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

I have posted SEVERAL TIMES links to the website.

Exept tesla is apparently full of crap - err - exaggerating their claims.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by classicman

Exept tesla is apparently full of crap - err - exaggerating their claims.

cite please.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

cite please.

Read the thread Sugar - you have brought the Tesla up a dozen times and their claims rebuked by a number of posters.

[slang]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

What else did I say that makes you want to kill me?

Not you, your socialist/collectivist ideas/non-stop slobbering on the Messiah.

Which ones? Yeah I know, please cite. I'm working 7 days now and don't have time to properly add to many of these irritating posts.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by slang

Not you, your socialist/collectivist ideas/non-stop slobbering on the Messiah.

Which ones? Yeah I know, please cite. I'm working 7 days now and don't have time to properly add to many of these irritating posts.

non-stop slobbering on the messiah? Clearly you have me confused with someone else...

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

non-stop slobbering on the messiah? Clearly you have me confused with someone else...

Frankly, m'dear, no he doesn't. You sound like this textbook example of someone with leftist opinions only -- a stereotype Secular-Progressive, completely politically correct, and completely unversed in the merits of competing views. Thus you believe you are both right and moral. There are those of us who aren't so sure of either.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Thus you believe you are both right and moral. There are those of us who aren't so sure of either.

About Sugar, or about yourself?

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Frankly, m'dear, no he doesn't. You sound like this textbook example of someone with leftist opinions only -- a stereotype Secular-Progressive, completely politically correct, and completely unversed in the merits of competing views. Thus you believe you are both right and moral. There are those of us who aren't so sure of either.

You sir, are the one who believes without a doubt that you are always right and on the side of good, as defined by your religious beliefs. Your attitude against anyone with leftist ideals is that you are the smarter one and they the lowly idiot. But... you are sadly misguided.

I am not always politically correct. I think we have gone way overboard with the political correctness. It's downright silly sometimes. That doesn't mean I think we should go back to the way we were before, because I don't. Some sensitivity is necessary when trying look at all sides of a situation. Empathy is important. Understanding is important. That doesn't mean it should rule out common sense. You on the right seem to think common courtesy is stupid, and manners are a bad thing, but they are not.

I have had my mind changed before numerous times, on issues I believed in deeply, because I had an open mind and I was willing to listen to another point of view. I cannot imagine you ever changing your mind about anything, especially when confronted by someone on the left.

And ftr, I have voted for republicans, democrats, and independents, even though I fall far on the left side of the political spectrum, so please don't try to figure out my political tendencies, because your brain would explode; it doesn't have the complexity to look objectively at two opposing views, and see where both are right, and both are wrong.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

You sir, are the one who believes without a doubt that you are always right and on the side of good, as defined by your religious beliefs. Your attitude against anyone with leftist ideals is that you are the smarter one and they the lowly idiot. But... you are sadly misguided.

Looking at the kind of thing presented by those loudest in opposition to me, I'd say I'm not misguided one bit. Nor can you actually show misguidedness, sad or happy, on my part. Just saying is not proving.

I am not always politically correct. I think we have gone way overboard with the political correctness. It's downright silly sometimes. That doesn't mean I think we should go back to the way we were before, because I don't.

Worthy. And PC is even worse than "silly sometimes." It's a tyranny of non-think, a tyranny over the minds of men. Like all tyrannies, it should be abolished.

You on the right seem to think common courtesy is stupid, and manners are a bad thing, but they are not.

This attitude is to be found only among the Wrong Right, not the conservatives, who hang onto their manners pretty well, even in the face of routine provocation from the immature sorts that make up the Left.

I have had my mind changed before numerous times, on issues I believed in deeply, because I had an open mind and I was willing to listen to another point of view. I cannot imagine you ever changing your mind about anything, especially when confronted by someone on the left.

Then you're not doing all that well at it, are you? I once was antigun, particularly anti-handgun. I'm not, now.

I do have a good understanding of those permanent things that are good. You are trying, as several here have to nil result, to find evil where it is not -- in the heart of Urbane Guerrilla.

. . . so please don't try to figure out my political tendencies, because your brain would explode; it doesn't have the complexity to look objectively at two opposing views, and see where both are right, and both are wrong.

M'dear, you are sadly misguided here: you cannot explode my brain, however hard you may try. I am probably more objective than you are: I've seen more of it. I can figure you out and I routinely do. When I catch you doing something good, I'll mention it; same goes for doing something bad. I can tell genuine sophistication from the specious, and grounding in the good from grounding in the bad.

Having looked over the Left for a couple of decades, and compared them with the Right -- yeah, the Left is mostly full of shit.