Guns don't kill people ....

[BigV]

Inflammatory?

defense is as inflammatory as offense, they're complementary, right? attack is neutral. it is the same word in both directions.

I've said nothing about her choice of weapons, I'm saying she attacked him with a gun, after he threatened her. Could you say she defended him with the gun? she didn't do anything to her kids with the gun. she didn't offend or defend or attack her kid. what she DID do with the gun was attack the guy coming at her.

sounds like it was justified, sounds like it was a good idea, sounds like it was successful. she "defended" herself by attacking him with the gun, an offensive action.

[Nirvana]

Obtuse thy name is Big V

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

If someone was in a fire why would they shoot someone coming thru a door? that makes no sense..

In my post, the woman did not know the apt building was on fire,
and was meant only a snippy response.

But to be argumentative... my posit was quite sensible.

Given even one gun in a home, especially with children present,
the odds are much higher for an accidental/unintended shooting
than for an illusionary "NRA-stand-your-ground" defense.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

If you want to put your tax dollars to a solution lets build more prisons.

No new prisons, just legalize pot and there'll be plenty of room.

Originally Posted by BigV

So, what is it? Shooting someone is what? It's defense? It's offense? I'm sure the bullet catcher doesn't feel defended. It's offense.

Despite your verbal gymnastics, the LAW says defense.

[Spexxvet]

Who better to defend against a gun attack than the Secret Service guarding the POTUS? And who couldn't do it?

Guns are no defense against guns.

[piercehawkeye45]

Lets all cherry pick anecdotal evidence to back our pro or anti-gun views!

[Nirvana]

and really how else is a debate done?

[henry quirk]

"If its absurd how is it logical?"

Since when do 'logic' and 'absurd' mutually exclude one another?

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"...those that illegally carry should have to face a stricter punishment."

I got no problem with that (or any other option, large, small, moderate, extreme, etc.)...I just don't think -- long term -- it'll make any difference.

Sure will make lots of folks 'feel good' though.

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"not giving mine up either."

[henry quirk]

"To say it's all or nothing isn't helpful."

Never said 'all or nuthin'.

I merely point out what could work versus what just makes folks 'feel good'.

Interpret that as absolutist if you like (but that ain't what I said).

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"I'm looking for helpful ideas."

Since I was answering Spexx's question (not yours) can't say I give a flip what you're looking for.

[henry quirk]

HA!

No, not 'obtuse', but 'sophist'.

[henry quirk]

...does anything other than 'soothe' the public?

Which of the following does anything other than make folks 'feel good'?


1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

11. Nominate an ATF director.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Since the POTUS doesn't make laws there's only so much he can do except prod congress and give direction to existing agencies that have discretion.

1, 2, and 3 will help if they get serious about background checks, there's a lot of information not going into the database.

9, may help cut down straw purchases for gang bangers.

14, when Biden & Co tryed to come up with solutions, everyone they asked said there's no data. That wasn't an accident.

16, that's no accident either.

It won't stop anything but it's a start.

[Happy Monkey]

It depends on the implementation, but most of those look substantive to me. Except stuff like "national dialogues" or "national campaigns", which are the "feel good" side.

[Nirvana]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

HA!

No, not 'obtuse', but 'sophist'.

That would imply he was skilled in deception, not so strawman comes to mind...

[Nirvana]

16. leaves me a bit squeamish I don't think it's any of my Drs biz if I have a gun. If the Dr is a Psychiatrist maybe...