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Cloud Cloud's car stuff 05-07-2010, 08:28 PM

tw In Toyota, these recalls are... 05-07-2010, 09:18 PM

Cloud Thanks, TW. The light is off... 05-08-2010, 12:09 PM

glatt Don't forget to take a look... 05-11-2010, 08:51 AM

lumberjim I see you in a Subaru Outback... 05-08-2010, 12:15 PM

Cloud yeah; or a Forester. ... 05-08-2010, 12:48 PM

Cloud Nope! not that old yet . .... 05-08-2010, 12:55 PM

lumberjim If you know specifically what... 05-08-2010, 03:02 PM

zippyt we have a Mitz Outlander , ... 05-08-2010, 03:35 PM

Cloud I woke up this morning... 05-09-2010, 10:54 AM

Undertoad The Nissan Rogue is sexier... 05-09-2010, 11:01 AM

Cloud the Equinox is on the high... 05-09-2010, 11:15 AM

monster Why would you have to replace... 05-09-2010, 05:03 PM

lumberjim CVT = Constant Velocity... 05-09-2010, 07:02 PM

Undertoad The manuals are fun, yes... 05-09-2010, 08:22 PM

jinx The not speeding up going... 05-09-2010, 08:24 PM

classicman Just curious, but doesn't... 05-10-2010, 09:50 AM

Cloud I thought clutches wear out... 05-10-2010, 10:42 AM

monster I've never heard of that -is... 05-11-2010, 07:00 AM

ZenGum I have an 01 Subaru outback. ... 05-11-2010, 08:04 AM

monster You could always paint... 05-11-2010, 09:02 AM

Cloud re: clutch -- I'm not a stick... 05-11-2010, 10:20 AM

Cloud would you go for a more... 05-12-2010, 11:05 AM

jinx If the expensive trim was... 05-12-2010, 11:11 AM

Beest Clutches do wear out, depends... 05-12-2010, 11:26 AM

Cloud went to a Chevy dealer today... 05-15-2010, 03:23 PM

jinx Cicero had one, you should... 05-15-2010, 05:29 PM

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xoxoxoBruce Here ya go. ;) 05-15-2010, 05:38 PM

lumberjim yah.... ok, miss 'turns the... 05-15-2010, 11:08 PM

xoxoxoBruce They make a vacuum switch... 05-16-2010, 06:38 AM

Undertoad So you are A after all!! ... 05-16-2010, 09:42 AM

jinx :blush: busted... That was... 05-16-2010, 09:52 AM

lumberjim http://autobash.com/wp-content... 05-15-2010, 04:26 PM

Cloud yes. pretty pictures. I... 05-15-2010, 04:35 PM

ZenGum I think Jinx regains the... 05-16-2010, 05:51 AM

Cloud ear thingy? you mean... 05-16-2010, 10:53 AM

HungLikeJesus Don't forget that gas prices... 05-16-2010, 11:05 PM

xoxoxoBruce The wholesale price of... 05-16-2010, 11:23 PM

HungLikeJesus Yes, but she didn't own the... 05-16-2010, 11:26 PM

xoxoxoBruce She did own A car last week.... 05-17-2010, 12:09 AM

Cloud I think smaller cars are the... 05-17-2010, 12:30 AM

tw Flex fuel is a scam. Done... 05-17-2010, 01:55 PM

Cloud Question: Car nose covers... 05-17-2010, 02:44 PM

Shawnee123 Car nose covers, extraneous... 05-17-2010, 02:48 PM

Clodfobble Has your current bra-less car... 05-17-2010, 03:05 PM

Cloud maintenance? no, but it does... 05-17-2010, 03:13 PM

jinx I dated a guy that had a bra... 05-18-2010, 11:39 AM

classicman lol - @ Clod. Took the... 05-17-2010, 03:15 PM

Cloud so, you would think I was... 05-17-2010, 03:21 PM

Clodfobble Well then here's what you do:... 05-17-2010, 03:21 PM

Cloud (lafs) 05-17-2010, 03:23 PM

Shawnee123 Aww no...I just see some... 05-17-2010, 03:22 PM

classicman nothing worse than a 10 year... 05-17-2010, 03:29 PM

Cloud no purple swirls? (pouts) 05-17-2010, 03:44 PM

xoxoxoBruce You can have anything you... 05-17-2010, 03:49 PM

Gravdigr If I had to spend my own... 05-17-2010, 03:49 PM

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Gravdigr Or a 2010 Honda Shadow... 05-17-2010, 03:52 PM

Cloud The Mazda 3 wagon and... 05-17-2010, 03:57 PM

lumberjim I've got three words for you,... 05-17-2010, 04:23 PM

Cloud of which there are NONE in my... 05-17-2010, 04:31 PM

HungLikeJesus Cloud, I'm in Minnesota this... 05-17-2010, 11:01 PM

Cloud thanks; they seem to be... 05-17-2010, 11:07 PM

Cloud the Mazda 5 has the sliding... 05-18-2010, 11:54 AM

Cloud Went to the Toyota/Scion... 05-22-2010, 01:50 PM

Cloud can you put "too much down"... 05-23-2010, 06:05 PM

glatt If you are getting zero... 05-24-2010, 08:39 AM

Cloud well, that's what I thought. ... 05-24-2010, 08:48 AM

lumberjim also, most lenders will only... 05-24-2010, 08:55 AM

Cloud okay, I'm not sure I... 05-24-2010, 09:24 AM

lumberjim not as long as you negotiate... 05-24-2010, 10:33 AM

Cloud Already got the loan... 05-24-2010, 11:03 AM

HungLikeJesus Cloud, just buy the car from... 05-24-2010, 06:52 PM

lumberjim long ride home.... 05-24-2010, 07:09 PM

Cloud road trip! (laf!) 05-24-2010, 07:25 PM

Undertoad Buy it from Jim and I will... 05-24-2010, 07:49 PM

Cloud not ready, though, guys! I... 05-24-2010, 08:27 PM

HungLikeJesus I'm the same way, Cloud,... 05-24-2010, 11:16 PM

Cloud Here's an article I thought... 05-28-2010, 08:28 PM

Cloud Check out... 06-03-2010, 08:54 AM

lumberjim only buy a VW if the VIN... 06-03-2010, 12:53 PM

Undertoad for West Germany? 06-03-2010, 01:25 PM

lumberjim Re: Cloud's car stuff 06-03-2010, 01:34 PM

skysidhe I wonder if I will ever be... 06-03-2010, 02:20 PM

Cloud very interesting! tire codes... 06-03-2010, 02:52 PM

lumberjim TIRES: P255 75 R 15 P=... 06-03-2010, 03:14 PM

Cloud wait, I thought there was... 06-03-2010, 03:50 PM

Cloud okay, found the info on the... 06-03-2010, 07:27 PM

lumberjim I think I heard that they... 06-03-2010, 08:03 PM

Cloud hmm. the information still... 06-03-2010, 08:11 PM

lumberjim maybe they stopped putting... 06-03-2010, 08:34 PM

lumberjim sorry, further investigation... 06-03-2010, 08:38 PM

Cloud I bet the tire manufacturers... 06-03-2010, 08:40 PM

Cloud How do you compare/evaluate... 06-09-2010, 03:19 PM

glatt Better to compare what the... 06-09-2010, 03:32 PM

tw You should have read (here)... 06-12-2010, 09:26 AM

xoxoxoBruce The 4 cylinder engines of... 06-12-2010, 09:40 AM

tw They are simpler. Have less... 06-12-2010, 09:56 AM

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Cloud Thanks, glatt, I will look at... 06-09-2010, 03:52 PM

xoxoxoBruce Torque is what produces the... 06-09-2010, 04:02 PM

lumberjim Trading an '07 HHR LT with... 06-10-2010, 05:26 PM

Cloud ooh! (makes frustrated face) 06-10-2010, 05:36 PM

lumberjim oops! they had to bump it up... 06-10-2010, 05:49 PM

Undertoad They fuck you on the trade-in! 06-10-2010, 05:55 PM

TheMercenary Only buy a VW if the engine... 06-10-2010, 07:54 PM

Cloud I don't think my car... 06-11-2010, 08:52 PM

jinx I agree Cloud. And I also... 06-11-2010, 09:10 PM

xoxoxoBruce By all means, please... 06-11-2010, 10:36 PM

Cloud do you thinking buying a new... 06-11-2010, 10:49 PM

xoxoxoBruce I guess it really depends on... 06-11-2010, 10:54 PM

jinx Yeah, I agree with Bruce on... 06-12-2010, 10:32 AM

HungLikeJesus I think you should wait until... 06-11-2010, 11:24 PM

Undertoad I vote yea for new year's... 06-12-2010, 10:47 AM

lumberjim I'll take a Juke for a demo... 06-12-2010, 10:48 AM

Cloud thanks. May be too small for... 06-12-2010, 10:54 AM

xoxoxoBruce I can't speak for you, but... 06-12-2010, 04:43 PM

Cloud Okay, there's some good and... 06-12-2010, 10:51 AM

fargon I looked at the Nissan Juke,... 06-12-2010, 06:15 PM

Cloud Well, you're not alone. The... 06-13-2010, 12:59 AM

Cloud mo' POWER, baby! 06-13-2010, 05:24 PM

Cloud What's the deal with the... 06-16-2010, 09:15 AM

jinx That's just silly... I had it... 06-16-2010, 09:36 AM

monster you can check for a car bomb... 06-16-2010, 09:18 AM

Cloud there is that 06-16-2010, 09:24 AM

Cloud I see lots of new cars coming... 06-19-2010, 10:43 PM

xoxoxoBruce Are you going to change a... 06-19-2010, 11:35 PM

Cloud I'll call AAA . . . and... 06-20-2010, 12:29 AM

lumberjim what you're seeing is most... 06-20-2010, 12:55 AM

Cloud well, it's a good thing I'm... 07-01-2010, 09:44 PM

ZenGum I would insist on a proper... 07-01-2010, 10:23 PM

zippyt Cloud get AAA , worth EVER... 07-01-2010, 10:58 PM

ZenGum Well surely she could just... 07-02-2010, 12:15 AM

Cloud Got AAA! And btw, I just... 07-01-2010, 11:12 PM

Cloud I find car salesmen have a... 07-06-2010, 04:10 PM

Pico and ME Did you look into a Pontiac... 07-06-2010, 05:57 PM

Cloud NONE of the Pontiacs are... 07-06-2010, 06:00 PM

lumberjim We just got posters of... 07-06-2010, 07:39 PM

Pico and ME Except this Pontiac is... 07-06-2010, 07:25 PM

Cloud there's a really cool video... 07-06-2010, 09:27 PM

tw That tiny four cylinder... 07-07-2010, 07:53 AM

Griff I like the size of the Juke.... 07-07-2010, 08:04 AM

classicman Thats a good point Griff... 07-07-2010, 10:18 AM

tw Big block V-8s standard in... 07-07-2010, 02:57 PM

Cloud it's got a small powerful... 07-07-2010, 11:05 AM

classicman Is Pontiac even going to be... 07-07-2010, 01:11 PM

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Cloud Ford Fiesta with factory... 07-11-2010, 02:52 PM

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Cloud or, maybe this: 07-11-2010, 03:23 PM

Cloud yes, I'm still 15 at heart 07-11-2010, 03:25 PM

xoxoxoBruce Nothing wrong with that, just... 07-11-2010, 04:13 PM

Undertoad Body shop: You want us to... 07-11-2010, 06:00 PM

Cloud they'd just replace the decal... 07-11-2010, 09:21 PM

Cloud Found this on the myFICO... 07-20-2010, 06:07 PM

Cloud still immersed in carPron. ... 08-02-2010, 04:59 PM

Cloud so . . . I want a BLUE car... 08-04-2010, 12:36 PM

jinx Ever had a black interior?... 08-04-2010, 12:42 PM

Cloud that's what everybody keeps... 08-04-2010, 12:47 PM

classicman Black is bad! Go to a little... 08-04-2010, 03:58 PM

Cloud killjoys! you're just... 08-04-2010, 04:53 PM

xoxoxoBruce No, leather is OK. Black is... 08-04-2010, 05:00 PM

Cloud but . . . gray is ugly... 08-04-2010, 05:20 PM

Cloud why would black leather be... 08-04-2010, 09:50 PM

xoxoxoBruce Because it shows every speck... 08-05-2010, 12:55 AM

Cloud dust? I'm not worried about... 08-05-2010, 08:44 AM

Cloud happy! 'cause I checked my... 08-05-2010, 05:46 PM

Cloud gah! very frustrated! After... 08-10-2010, 02:17 PM

classicman Sounds like a no brainer - ... 08-10-2010, 03:42 PM

Cloud great minds, honey! 08-10-2010, 05:36 PM

Cloud still really really liking... 08-29-2010, 12:01 PM

xoxoxoBruce Considering your climate, and... 08-29-2010, 08:22 PM

skysidhe It's cute cloud. I liked the... 08-29-2010, 08:35 PM

Cloud I am now almost certain I... 09-09-2010, 12:24 PM

xoxoxoBruce Yeah, with real fire... 09-09-2010, 12:32 PM

Undertoad It looks like a winner. I'll... 09-09-2010, 12:35 PM

Cloud nah, fire is so cliched . . .... 09-09-2010, 12:35 PM

lumberjim i plan on taking one as a... 09-09-2010, 01:02 PM

classicman Looks like a win win win ... 09-09-2010, 01:09 PM

Cloud I would certainly like to... 09-09-2010, 01:23 PM

classicman of course it was posted in... 09-09-2010, 01:32 PM

Cloud no, I think they're serious. ... 09-09-2010, 01:38 PM

xoxoxoBruce Yes it is, that's why it will... 09-09-2010, 02:47 PM

classicman well I edited Jim's post and... 09-09-2010, 01:47 PM

Cloud here's a famous juke, showing... 09-19-2010, 02:38 PM

Cloud some questions about... 09-23-2010, 07:19 PM

Happy Monkey You ought to be able to... 09-24-2010, 01:48 PM

Clodfobble I have definitely been given... 09-24-2010, 03:48 PM

Lamplighter I have a question that is... 09-25-2010, 10:45 AM

Cloud I think you have to be leary... 09-25-2010, 03:18 PM

xoxoxoBruce By expressing early interest... 09-25-2010, 03:23 PM

Undertoad Nissan Juke: 117.5 hp/litre,... 09-25-2010, 03:25 PM

Cloud that's a possibilty I'm aware... 09-25-2010, 03:26 PM

xoxoxoBruce And you want it, damnit. :lol: 09-25-2010, 03:30 PM

Cloud yeah. trying not to appear... 09-25-2010, 03:31 PM

Cloud Is it really necessary to... 09-25-2010, 08:40 PM

xoxoxoBruce No, that went out with sword... 09-25-2010, 08:46 PM

Cloud Here's an article from... 09-25-2010, 08:58 PM

xoxoxoBruce I'm on the side of the... 09-25-2010, 09:25 PM

Undertoad Well that's the kind of... 09-25-2010, 09:21 PM

Cloud orly? ;) 09-25-2010, 09:22 PM

Cloud well, I mostly ignored the... 09-25-2010, 09:30 PM

Cloud Re: Mud guard/flaps and floor... 10-01-2010, 12:42 PM

glatt Personally, if they aren't... 10-01-2010, 12:56 PM

HungLikeJesus Floor mats didn't come with... 10-01-2010, 01:07 PM

classicman I'd get the floor mats. The... 10-01-2010, 01:30 PM

Undertoad The best thing to do with the... 10-01-2010, 01:33 PM

Cloud vat is dis "garage" you speak... 10-01-2010, 02:13 PM

Undertoad Your hall closet. 10-01-2010, 02:14 PM

Cloud so noted. and if I don't... 10-01-2010, 02:23 PM

Clodfobble Do you have a lot of mud to... 10-01-2010, 02:42 PM

Cloud not a lot. some, in the... 10-01-2010, 02:45 PM

glatt Does your car now have mud... 10-01-2010, 02:55 PM

Cloud I think my car does. Not... 10-01-2010, 03:10 PM

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xoxoxoBruce Fuck yeah, mudflaps. :D 10-01-2010, 07:25 PM

tw Mud flaps that do something... 10-01-2010, 09:26 PM

monster Our cars both have mats that... 10-01-2010, 09:51 PM

monster You don't have kids, do you? 10-01-2010, 09:52 PM

monster pierced mudflaps 10-01-2010, 08:43 PM

classicman OMG - Thats a frightening... 10-01-2010, 09:58 PM

Cloud I checked my car and it has... 10-01-2010, 10:18 PM

tw So you can always smell where... 10-01-2010, 11:07 PM

jimhelm we got our first Juke... 10-08-2010, 07:58 AM

Cloud are you planning to buy one? ... 10-08-2010, 10:08 AM

xoxoxoBruce They give him a car to use,... 10-08-2010, 10:52 AM

jimhelm what bruce said. I will... 10-08-2010, 10:58 AM

Shawnee123 I built one online as if cost... 10-08-2010, 11:29 AM

Cloud I get it (re: Jim); thanks. ... 10-08-2010, 12:40 PM

xoxoxoBruce Some people saying it's butt... 10-08-2010, 05:22 PM

ghostoflumberjim spencer says it looks like a... 10-09-2010, 01:21 AM

Cloud yeah; it's gotten "frog" a... 10-09-2010, 08:47 AM

Cloud Mirror's and Blind Spots 10-13-2010, 11:41 AM

classicman YESSSSSSS Whats the point of... 10-13-2010, 11:55 AM

Cloud I feel kinda dumb. New... 10-13-2010, 12:20 PM

tw Sometimes it is therapeutic... 10-13-2010, 01:03 PM

classicman I believe you still have a... 10-13-2010, 01:04 PM

Clodfobble Yes, I've always put my side... 10-13-2010, 11:13 PM

monster yes, but I still look to... 10-13-2010, 11:36 PM

xoxoxoBruce No, I don't look over my... 10-14-2010, 12:45 AM

glatt If you drive fast enough, you... 10-14-2010, 07:56 AM

xoxoxoBruce Yeah, I think that's part of... 10-14-2010, 08:04 AM

classicman I hear you, glatt. I was... 10-18-2010, 09:29 AM

jimhelm that's key. my dad taught me... 10-14-2010, 01:51 PM

Cloud I agree; awareness is key.... 10-14-2010, 03:19 PM

Cloud Saw a juke in the flesh today... 10-16-2010, 06:25 PM

xoxoxoBruce You go girl... :D 10-16-2010, 08:33 PM

Cloud I'm pretty amazed at the crap... 10-17-2010, 12:18 PM

tw I have said this often. If... 10-17-2010, 12:48 PM

xoxoxoBruce Because they need the car to... 10-17-2010, 01:44 PM

tw Yes, a home equity loan also... 10-17-2010, 08:14 PM

classicman HA HA HA stop with he reality... 10-17-2010, 02:09 PM

glatt Actually, I agree with tw on... 10-17-2010, 02:54 PM

xoxoxoBruce Unless you can do your own... 10-17-2010, 05:50 PM

classicman Define a "shit car"... 10-17-2010, 05:09 PM

Cloud I'm choosing to buy a new car... 10-17-2010, 05:20 PM

classicman Well put Bruce. I think... 10-17-2010, 06:06 PM

glatt Yeah Cloud, I'm not talking... 10-17-2010, 07:56 PM

tw Once I got rid of a new Ford,... 10-17-2010, 08:24 PM

classicman A grand a year? I wish. I've... 10-17-2010, 08:31 PM

glatt The grand a year is an... 10-18-2010, 07:30 AM

monster I think it's fine to get a... 10-17-2010, 07:51 PM

Cloud I don't know that it's... 10-18-2010, 09:25 AM

glatt Oh, there is no requirement,... 10-18-2010, 09:40 AM

tw That is the point. One ... 10-18-2010, 10:55 AM

Cloud Absolutely, positively NOT! ... 10-18-2010, 10:59 AM

tw One does not pay interest on... 10-18-2010, 11:24 AM

Pete Zicato I suspect that most people... 10-18-2010, 11:34 AM

tw The $300 brake job is not an... 10-18-2010, 11:38 AM

Cloud that's the best way--in... 10-18-2010, 11:37 AM

tw I have very few (if any)... 10-18-2010, 11:42 AM

Pete Zicato Yup. When I was young I read... 10-18-2010, 11:47 AM

xoxoxoBruce Cloud battles the Cartels.... 10-19-2010, 02:19 PM

Cloud well, you have richer/smarter... 10-18-2010, 11:45 AM

Cloud yep; I like the donut one... 10-19-2010, 08:18 PM

monster are you a cop? 10-19-2010, 10:06 PM

Cloud no. I'm a Valkyrie. ... 10-19-2010, 10:46 PM

Cloud Do you use/need a center... 10-20-2010, 11:15 PM

xoxoxoBruce I don't use it, except to... 10-20-2010, 11:26 PM

classicman I use mine as an armrest on... 10-21-2010, 07:45 AM

Clodfobble I think it completely depends... 10-21-2010, 05:02 PM

tw Many neat features in one car... 10-24-2010, 06:25 PM

BrianR I use the center armrest in... 10-23-2010, 01:02 AM

jimhelm I agree with clobble. ... 10-23-2010, 07:49 AM

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Cloud the Jukes are few on the... 10-27-2010, 08:16 PM

monster Congratulations! :) 10-27-2010, 09:11 PM

Cloud not counting my chickens yet... 10-27-2010, 09:17 PM

monster no, but you made the decision... 10-27-2010, 09:18 PM

HungLikeJesus Crazy question, I know, but... 10-27-2010, 09:21 PM

Cloud depends on the drivetrain,... 10-27-2010, 09:35 PM

HungLikeJesus We'll probably be looking for... 10-27-2010, 09:43 PM

xoxoxoBruce It looks very good in white,... 10-28-2010, 12:35 AM

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Cloud headlights from hell! 10-28-2010, 02:45 PM

jimhelm Did you get the rear roof... 10-28-2010, 03:54 PM

Cloud well on the one I... 10-28-2010, 04:11 PM

tw Why spend $400 on something... 10-28-2010, 08:44 PM

monster yeah, but you're a wanker... 10-28-2010, 09:29 PM

Cloud Perhaps. But I haven't spent... 10-28-2010, 09:50 PM

jimhelm ADM stands for Additional... 10-28-2010, 10:26 PM

xoxoxoBruce That won't fly with tw's Mr... 10-28-2010, 10:30 PM

tw And four inch platform shoes... 10-29-2010, 12:09 AM

xoxoxoBruce tw drives an appliance,... 10-29-2010, 12:59 AM

Cloud the back end of this car is... 10-28-2010, 11:03 PM

xoxoxoBruce aes·thet·ic --- adj a :... 10-28-2010, 11:25 PM

ZenGum Thing is, the girls watch... 10-29-2010, 02:53 AM

xoxoxoBruce Not necessarily, I know a lot... 10-29-2010, 03:23 AM

ZenGum maybe you're past breeding... 10-29-2010, 03:45 AM

xoxoxoBruce Oh yes, at least I hope so.... 10-29-2010, 06:12 AM

Cloud this amuses me. You should... 10-29-2010, 08:52 AM

jimhelm No vision obstruction....in... 10-29-2010, 09:26 AM

tw So that is the spoiler for... 10-30-2010, 01:41 PM

jimhelm you were picturing one of... 10-30-2010, 02:00 PM

tw If it does not look like... 10-30-2010, 10:35 PM

xoxoxoBruce They used to be pretty... 10-31-2010, 01:20 AM

monster So you had no idea what you... 10-30-2010, 03:47 PM

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xoxoxoBruce Why buy one, when they are so... 10-30-2010, 04:57 PM

Cloud Nice pics, Jim, thank you! 10-29-2010, 10:28 AM

Pico and ME I was trying to find a full... 10-29-2010, 11:02 AM

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xoxoxoBruce Profile. 10-29-2010, 11:45 AM

Clodfobble I like the spoiler in this... 10-29-2010, 06:41 PM

Pico and ME Thanks Clod. I admit I didn't... 10-29-2010, 07:26 PM

Clodfobble Well you're welcome for my... 10-29-2010, 10:21 PM

Pico and ME LOL. I wonder why I did that.... 10-29-2010, 10:40 PM

monster excellent. I'mm'a have... 10-30-2010, 07:00 PM

ZenGum Wait a minute - that kludged... 10-31-2010, 01:59 AM

Undertoad Nevar!!! What we found... 10-31-2010, 10:08 AM

Cloud Which kind of oil? 11-11-2010, 04:02 PM

glatt I swear by 710 fluid. ;) 11-12-2010, 07:36 AM

tw The difference is that... 11-14-2010, 01:58 AM

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jimhelm did you ever get your Juke,... 03-29-2011, 08:14 AM

Cloud no, the too-long wait and the... 03-29-2011, 08:50 AM

06-11-2010, 10:54 PM	#1
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I guess it really depends on how much you trust who's doing it, and how much of the car is actually new. If they are hanging new sheet metal on a proven design, if would probably be a safer bet than an entirely new design. Of course entirely new designs are rarer than hen's teeth. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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