Impeding changes to our Health Care system

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

An interesting interpretation by the Chamber of Commerce, which is spending $millions, along with the insurance industry to oppose the bill.

Bullshit. The insurance companies are about to get a windfall profit and they know it, and you know it, but you refuse to say so. As I said before millions of dollars to the insurance industry is like pissing in the Great Lakes to that industry.

But I would agree that more of the reforms are "insurance" reforms (particularly impacting small business, ie members of the Chamber of Commerce) but there are signficant provisions that focus on containing costs in the delivery system.

Neither of the Bills do much to contain the costs of Healthcare with the exception of a few very narrow areas. There are no cost containments on what the insurance companies are going to cost those who currently have insurance in the form of co-pays and premiums.

Yep it says how it will pay for the $900 billion cost...over 10 years.

To bad there is absolutely no way that you or the whores who are making deals to pass this bill can ensure that is going to happen.

[quote]....expected savings about $150 billion.[/quotet]But you can't ensure that is going to happen. Now as we get down to the wire there is a lot of discussion about how much more expensive it is going to really be. But we will never know until it comes out of the SECRET and NON-transparent talks. Another lie from the Dems and Obama.

The rest is less predicatable........iffy.

The first honest statement you have made about what this is really going to cost the Taxpayers.

Some have a problem with the top 1-2% of taxpayers bearing a large portion of the costs in new taxes. I dont have a problem with that at all.

Of course you don't. It serves the greater plan of wealth redistribution by the Socialist Demoncrats.

What is accomplishes is to enable companies that are marginal in size (to big for the small pool and to small for cheaper policies provided through big companies) to end their own employer-plan and enter a plan with a larger pool of other small businesses....a bunch of companies pooling together can offer cheaper insurance that a single small/medium company alone....simply by having a greater number of people included, spreading the risk.

There is no promise that marginal sized companies are going to be able to enter the insurance exchanges.

My Voltaire reference..."the perfect is the enemy of the good"

Who doesnt want a perfect bill that provides both comprehensive insurance reform and reform of the delivery system...all w/o costs to taxpayers?

I'll take what I think is a good bill and build on that...because the political reality is that the perfect bill aint gonna happen......or "a half of loaf is better than none."

Which is a very dangerous view of how your guys want to deal with the taxpayers money.

Will it work as envisioned? Probably not completely. No legislation this comprehensive plays out completely as planned...never has and never will.

No shit!?!?!

And, IMO, it is bullshit for others to be screaming "failed" even before it is given a chance to succeed....or claiming that the "propaganda" or talking points are all on one side of the discussion here. That is dishonest to the point of being blatantly and purposefully ignorant (not referring to you).

Oh, sort of like the millions of jobs that are have been made by the last bailout and the lies Pelosi, Obama, and Reid made to the American public?